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Old Nov 20, 2016 | 06:50 PM
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I experienced the lag today owned this car for two weeks, still learning. But the lag has to go along with another 180 bucks. Vittesse here i come, unless someone else has a more reasonable solution.
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I experienced the lag today owned this car for two weeks, still learning. But the lag has to go along with another 180 bucks. Vittesse here i come, unless someone else has a more reasonable solution.
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Yep. Vitesse to the rescue .
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Old Nov 20, 2016 | 07:19 PM
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As long as you don't have an 05. They left us out of all the excitement.
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Dont understand all the complaints about throttle lag.......when I want more power, I just push the peddle farther....what's the problem? You know not much happens in the first 25% of peddle travel, so adjust your thinking and it's no longer an issue.
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Dont understand all the complaints about throttle lag.......when I want more power, I just push the peddle farther....what's the problem? You know not much happens in the first 25% of peddle travel, so adjust your thinking and it's no longer an issue.
Once you install the Vittesse you will find out how much lag you have been putting up with. You will swear you have more power. Your current throttle IS AN ISSUE if you have to adjust your thinking when attempting to hit full throttle.

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I experienced the lag today owned this car for two weeks, still learning. But the lag has to go along with another 180 bucks. Vittesse here i come, unless someone else has a more reasonable solution.
Hate to burst your bubble, but your still going to have lag even with the controller.

Hence GM programmed in throttle response lag, both pushing the throttle down, and letting off on it as well.

This was done to help gas mileage, as if you where holding the pedal steady instead.

Granted that your going to get into the meat of the power with less pedal push with the Vittesse controller, your still going to have that slight delay on pedal push before engine responce, and the same delay coming off the throttle before the RPM's start to drop.
Note, if you push the clutch in, it will allow the RPMs to drop instantly instead.

In the z06 throttle mapping, GM did not program as much delay into both sides, but its still there to a lesser degree instead (why you can't buck the car with the gas pedal like you could on a carb car).


Bluntly, if you are wanting crisp like a throttled carb car, then it will take a remapping of the throttle response tables in the ECM instead (which HP tuner and EFI live can not get at to do such). Also, you have to think of terms of spinning mass, such as the flywheel and clutch that lighting them would help to allow faster RPM climb and drops as well.


To sum it up, with the C6, you really have to think ahead when driving, to deal with the delays of the two and how you drive the car.
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Do you have the Vitesse throttle controller? I do not know how you can say the lag is still there with it. Setting 9 response is pretty insane compared to stock.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but your still going to have lag even with the controller.

Hence GM programmed in throttle response lag, both pushing the throttle down, and letting off on it as well.

This was done to help gas mileage, as if you where holding the pedal steady instead.

Granted that your going to get into the meat of the power with less pedal push with the Vittesse controller, your still going to have that slight delay on pedal push before engine responce, and the same delay coming off the throttle before the RPM's start to drop.
Note, if you push the clutch in, it will allow the RPMs to drop instantly instead.

In the z06 throttle mapping, GM did not program as much delay into both sides, but its still there to a lesser degree instead (why you can't buck the car with the gas pedal like you could on a carb car).


Bluntly, if you are wanting crisp like a throttled carb car, then it will take a remapping of the throttle response tables in the ECM instead (which HP tuner and EFI live can not get at to do such). Also, you have to think of terms of spinning mass, such as the flywheel and clutch that lighting them would help to allow faster RPM climb and drops as well.


To sum it up, with the C6, you really have to think ahead when driving, to deal with the delays of the two and how you drive the car.

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My impression of the Vitesse after over a year is that it is like an ON/OFF switch. No discernable lag IMO. Instant response.
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Originally Posted by GS057
Do you have the Vitesse throttle controller? I do not know how you can say the lag is still there with it. Setting 9 response is pretty insane compared to stock.


Have you ever tried one Dano ?

If it is there the Vitesse sure hides it well ......

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Originally Posted by NashvilleGrandSport
My impression of the Vitesse after over a year is that it is like an ON/OFF switch. No discernable lag IMO. Instant response.
Stab the throttle from idling and you will see the slight lag on the tack before the rpms start to climb.

Take the car to 3K in third gear, come off the throttle fully, and you will see the lag before the RPMs start to drop down.
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Old Nov 20, 2016 | 09:11 PM
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Dano is correct in that there will always be a certain amount of lag due to many factors. All I know is that my car is simply much more fun to drive. And $180.00 is a drop in the bucket these days - at least in my house. Book 'em Dano!
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Originally Posted by montereyredvette
Dont understand all the complaints about throttle lag.......when I want more power, I just push the peddle farther....what's the problem? You know not much happens in the first 25% of peddle travel, so adjust your thinking and it's no longer an issue.

Did you ever own (or drive) any muscle cars from the 60s-70s with steel linkage between your foot and the carb? If you did, then you would notice the lag on the C6. Not so much under normal driving, but dumping it from a standing or rolling start it is quite noticeable.
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I do not think your reply is valid if you do not own a Vittese.
Originally Posted by Dano523
Stab the throttle from idling and you will see the slight lag on the tack before the rpms start to climb.

Take the car to 3K in third gear, come off the throttle fully, and you will see the lag before the RPMs start to drop down.
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Originally Posted by GS057
I do not think your reply is valid if you do not own a Vittese.
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Originally Posted by Vet Interested
I agree also . I can tell you that there is no lag when i stab my throttle , it might be there but you sure cant feel it with the Vitesse cranked up

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oh sorry Dave!
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mine was this way had it tuned big difference
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Plan ahead! Love it, you got a great sense of humor.
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Put a Vitesse in last month and it is night and day. You won't regret it.
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