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Old Mar 30, 2017 | 03:39 PM
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Just when the weather starts to look great and I get this message with code P2138. There's a thread about this in the tech section and I've read it. It just sucks. I rarely drove it during the winter. I was wondering if cold weather had anything to do with it since my vette is parked outside underneath a car cover. It's raining now so I'll have to wait for a sunny to look into it.
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Old Mar 30, 2017 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Zero_6
Just when the weather starts to look great and I get this message with code P2138. There's a thread about this in the tech section and I've read it. It just sucks. I rarely drove it during the winter. I was wondering if cold weather had anything to do with it since my vette is parked outside underneath a car cover. It's raining now so I'll have to wait for a sunny to look into it.
I recently watched a YouTube video that I'm not sure where I found the link to it from, possibly a post on this forum. The problem was tracked down to a flaw in the circuit board of the throttle motor. The contacts of the circuit board relay the throttle position to the ECM. Evidently the flaw in the sliding contacts that are similar to those used in a fuel tank level gauge was not visible to the naked eye but was very apparent under magnification.

The fellow who made the video was able to source the circuit board without having to replace the whole throttle motor assembly and it fixed the power loss problem.

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Old Mar 30, 2017 | 04:05 PM
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I recently watched a YouTube video that I'm not sure where I found the link to it from, possibly a post on this forum. The problem was tracked down to a flaw in the circuit board of the throttle motor. The contacts of the circuit board relay the throttle position to the ECM. Evidently the flaw in the sliding contacts that are similar to those used in a fuel tank level gauge was not visible to the naked eye but was very apparent under magnification.

The fellow who made the video was able to source the circuit board without having to replace the whole throttle motor assembly and it fixed the power loss problem.
I remember watching that video on youtube.
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Old Mar 30, 2017 | 04:23 PM
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You might need a new gas pedal assy. P2138 is often associated with a bad Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor.

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https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...raction-2.html
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I'd a one-in-a-million issue which resulted in REP on my '06.
Limped it home, dealer flat bedded it in where it was for several days while they tried troubleshooting problem.

I got it back after a few days, was fine.
Turned out dealer's sr wrench was on vacation, and since young guys couldn't find a thing they waited for his return -- explaining wait.
Old timer crawled around w/ flashlight, poked & prodded & sure enough.

Somehow, someway a plug wire came loose & welded itself on header.
Could not be seen from above, had to search & trace & not assume anything.
Took old school troubleshooting skills ie 'looking', testing or car might still be there.

Be sure to physically check plugs/boots for tightness & overall integrity.
Sure would be nice if this turned out something simple, at least there's a code. G/L

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Originally Posted by Zero_6
Just when the weather starts to look great and I get this message with code P2138. There's a thread about this in the tech section and I've read it. It just sucks. I rarely drove it during the winter. I was wondering if cold weather had anything to do with it since my vette is parked outside underneath a car cover. It's raining now so I'll have to wait for a sunny to look into it.
Good chance that the TPS inside the throttle body is dirty or corroded as a result of the environment that the car was stored at, and added to the fact the car was not used for some time may lead to this condition.
I do not believe that the part is serviceable like the video posted here.
Earlier cars would have the sensor bolted to the outside of the throttle body, which made it easy to replace.
There's a possibility that the wiring to the throttle body could be at fault, as some have been know to have broken wires inside the coated plastic insulation near the connector.
Here's some more to read if your interested in fixing this problem yourself.
https://www.yourmechanic.com/article...y-andrew-quinn
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Parked out side, maybe check for mice eaten wires
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Parked out side, maybe check for mice eaten wires
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Seen that happen several times....
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I was able to rev up to 3k rpm and nothing happened, just went back under 2k rpm and slowly speed up. I've read all the possibilities y'all posted on what may have caused the problem. It's really hard for me to believe that it happened to my 2008 with only 12k miles. I hope it's not due to mice though. I rather buy a whole new TB than deal with mice. Weather needs to brighten up asap. Thanks y'all.
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Originally Posted by Zero_6
I was able to rev up to 3k rpm and nothing happened, just went back under 2k rpm and slowly speed up. I've read all the possibilities y'all posted on what may have caused the problem. It's really hard for me to believe that it happened to my 2008 with only 12k miles. I hope it's not due to mice though. I rather buy a whole new TB than deal with mice. Weather needs to brighten up asap. Thanks y'all.
You got that right, I've seen those little bastards do considerable damage
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Once I fixed the problem, I'll update.
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The plastic side of the throttle assembly is available now. Not necessary to buy the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by CadVette
The plastic side of the throttle assembly is available now. Not necessary to buy the whole thing.
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Originally Posted by Zero_6
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The plastic side of the throttle assembly is available now. Not necessary to buy the whole thing.
Checking with the parts people like rockauto, the TPS was available for MY's 2009 and up....
I believe that this one is not serviceable.
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Old Mar 31, 2017 | 04:49 PM
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Checking with the parts people like rockauto, the TPS was available for MY's 2009 and up....
I believe that this one is not serviceable.
I can't find any tps. You may be right, I'll have to buy a new TB.

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Originally Posted by Zero_6
I can't find any tps. You may be right, I'll have to buy a new TB.
Ya, I thought so. If you lookup one for the 2009 MY, you can see the TPS that CadVette was referencing.
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So I replaced the old TB with the new one from Rock Auto. Price for the TB was $337.78 and it was the lowest price I could find. It was shipped Monday and came today. IMO, it was fast. The hardest part was putting back the intake on the support mounts on the radiator. It was a bitch After the replacement, I took my vette for a drive. I drove about 5 miles and WOT hitting 130mph. No check engine light or "reduced engine power". I hope this fixed the problem. I plan to drive more tomorrow if it don't rain. If all goes well, I'm willing to give the used broken TB away for free to anyone that lives close to me that wants it. All I ask is that you keep the spirit of giving alive. Thank y'all
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Old Apr 6, 2017 | 05:22 PM
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"Reduced Engine Power" came back on after 20+ miles of driving. TB isn't the problem and I now have a mint conditioned one. Next course of action will be buying a new pedal.
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Originally Posted by Zero_6
"Reduced Engine Power" came back on after 20+ miles of driving. TB isn't the problem and I now have a mint conditioned one. Next course of action will be buying a new pedal.
I don't know your level of "expertise" but just R&R'ing parts can get expensive, is there any "expert" you could bring in to diagnose the problem or do you think you can ??
I hate doing that crap, of never knowing for sure.
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Old Apr 6, 2017 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Not So Fast
I don't know your level of "expertise" but just R&R'ing parts can get expensive, is there any "expert" you could bring in to diagnose the problem or do you think you can ??
I hate doing that crap, of never knowing for sure.
Good luck
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I don't know of any expert but there are performance shops around though. I just purchased the accelerator pedal from rockauto, that'll be my last purchase. I wonder if the Vitesse Throttle Controller has anything to do with it. I'll fiddle with that tomorrow.
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