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Old 06-27-2017, 11:00 AM
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Can't say as I've seen this one before. Michelin Pilot Sport. Passenger side front. I have a new-to-me set of C7 takeoffs waiting to go on - thank goodness. Looks like I'll have to swap one on and run without a TPMS to the tire shop to avoid the tear possibly going down into the bead and blowing off the rim. That would suck...


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Originally Posted by RyaneC
Can't say as I've seen this one before. Michelin Pilot Sport. Passenger side front. I have a new-to-me set of C7 takeoffs waiting to go on - thank goodness. Looks like I'll have to swap one on and run without a TPMS to the tire shop to avoid the tear possibly going down into the bead and blowing off the rim. That would suck...

It looks to me like the tire sidewall was compressed onto the rim. There appears to be an arc of rubber just below the separation and the sidewall may have been cut by the rim during the compression.
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And i notice a scrape on the rim right where the tire is coming apart. That could be a contributing factor .?!
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Mich owes you a new tire I'd say, at least a new prorated one anyway.
Could claim scratched rim was a sign a curb or some such had been hit, though.
I'd try anyway, no tire should do that and especially a RF.
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Been there done that. Got run off the road by a idiot who was not looking. Hit a big reflector and blew out the sidewall just like that. DT gave me a new one for the cost of a new certificate.

Heading there now to get new M AS3+ put on.
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No scratch there, it's rubber particles from where the gash opened up. The mark rubbed right off when I came out to check it. There is curb rash elsewhere on the wheel, probably 60 degrees from the site of the gash. The tires were made in 2012 so I don't know how much Michelin would do for it. I bought the car in May 2016 with these tires on it and I've put about 23k on them. There was a knot there initially which is part of the reason I got a new set.

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Prorate tire adjustments are usually based on remaining tread depth and not on age of tire. At least for mileage warranties. I would think they would consider this Road Hazard.
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Originally Posted by wayback
Been there done that. Got run off the road by a idiot who was not looking. Hit a big reflector and blew out the sidewall just like that. DT gave me a new one for the cost of a new certificate.

Heading there now to get new M AS3+ put on.
DT did the same for me. Tire had less than 1k miles on it before it blew out.
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Originally Posted by RyaneC
Can't say as I've seen this one before. Michelin Pilot Sport. Passenger side front. I have a new-to-me set of C7 takeoffs waiting to go on - thank goodness. Looks like I'll have to swap one on and run without a TPMS to the tire shop to avoid the tear possibly going down into the bead and blowing off the rim. That would suck...


In the tire business, they call that an impact break!
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Originally Posted by marinablu67
In the tire business, they call that an impact break!
even if there's no indication of impact anywhere in that area? No scrapes or scuffs on the tire or rim.
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Someone hit something at some point or another. That tire did not just come apart.

Not saying the OP did but you can forget Michelin helping.
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Originally Posted by MH663
Someone hit something at some point or another. That tire did not just come apart.

Not saying the OP did but you can forget Michelin helping.
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Originally Posted by marinablu67
In the tire business, they call that an impact break!
Also was in the tire buss, agree with you, could of been a pot hole hit, cut from the sharp edge of the rim..
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Originally Posted by Landru
Mich owes you a new tire I'd say, at least a new prorated one anyway.
Could claim scratched rim was a sign a curb or some such had been hit, though.
I'd try anyway, no tire should do that and especially a RF.
Yes, it does look like a possibility but with wayback saying it looks like his, that makes it a bit of a problem to claim it was all on the tire.

The other thing I think is something very sharp (not cutting sharp) like a railroad track at just enough of high speed to have it bang on that one point.

With my Michelins, on a CT highway, I came up to a bridge at speed (65-70) and the darned thing had a metal expansion joint separating the two pieces of concrete road to bridge. I hit it so hard, I thought I'd bent all four wheels and blown out at least one or more tires. I stopped very shortly thereafter, took a tire pressure ck., shut off the car to look/listen for leaks, etc. I got lucky, no nothing happened. But it surely could have.
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Originally Posted by RyaneC
even if there's no indication of impact anywhere in that area? No scrapes or scuffs on the tire or rim.
Unfortunately there was no scuff or marking on mine, just a knot in the sidewall. Hitting a small item like a city titty puts a tremendous pressure on a small section of the tire.

Try this: have someone place their palm on your chest and push. Then have them use just the tip of their pointing finger and push with the same force.
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Originally Posted by RyaneC
even if there's no indication of impact anywhere in that area? No scrapes or scuffs on the tire or rim.
It could be worse! Whatever you hit could have destroyed the wheel too! Look closely at the photo, there are black marks where the sidewall came in contact with rim.
Low profile tires are extremely susceptible to sidewall damage. This is not a manufacturing defect.
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That's impact damage.

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Originally Posted by MH663
Someone hit something at some point or another. That tire did not just come apart.

Not saying the OP did but you can forget Michelin helping.
That's what road hazard warranties are for.
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I already had a new set of C7 takeoffs on standby, just wanted everybody to see, be aware, and get some thoughts on possible causes. Thanks guys! New wheels and tires are on now.
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Edges of the separation channels are too square,

Someone dug a bead breaker spoon into the side of the rubber when mounting the tires to do that damage.

Mich ro road hazard may cover it, but the damage was really down by the shop that was working on the tires instead.



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