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Old May 23, 2018 | 09:04 PM
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Hi I just purchased a 2010 Grand Sport convertible. Only 22 k miles. I decided to have an after market alarm installed. What I found, I was not expecting. Either the business CAN'T do Corvettes, or they WON'T do Corvettes. What is the dang deal?
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Almost nobody that I know of installs an additional alarm on their C6.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 10:00 PM
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Almost nobody that I know of installs an additional alarm on their C6.
It isn't going to protect it any better than the factory alarm.
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Old May 23, 2018 | 10:01 PM
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It isn't going to protect it any better than the factory alarm.
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It isn't going to protect it any better than the factory alarm.
I disagree. The new alarms can notify a person by cell phone, when and if someone is attempting to steal wheels, break in etc..The "factory alarm" does not. This would be especially useful while parked out of sight ..like at hotels, restaurants.

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Old May 23, 2018 | 10:24 PM
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I disagree. The new alarms can notify a person by cell phone, when and if someone is attempting to steal wheels, break in etc..The "factory alarm" does not. This would be especially useful while parked out of sight ..like at hotels, restaurants.
I’ve never seen someone with an aftermarket alarm.
I’d almost think with all the nanny’s these cars have it wouldn’t be easy. Lol. But hey to each his own.

Wheel locks and Ins. Only way to break in is break glass.

Our cars are the hardest to break into.


What do you wanna be notified for. To confront the people. That could even worse.

It’s only a car. And we have Ins.

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Yep, with a vet, keep it parked where someone will not break into it in the first place. If you are leaving the car parked over night out on the street, or in a parking lot (do not have a secure garage to park it in), then you already made a huge mistake in the first place.

Hence when someone breaks into a C6 to say steal something out of it like the radio, the damage they do to the car in replacement cost for parts and labor to repair it after the fact, often ends up with the insurance company just totaling the car instead.

So factory theft deterrent system is fine, and you just need to keep full coverage on the car year long isntead.

As for stealing/repo'g the car itself, this is done via a flat bed tow truck, so even with a paging type alarm system, but they time you get to where the car was, it will already be gone.
Note:finance companies are already onto to the trick of the owners programming out any extra Fobs for the car they may have, and programing back in just the fobs that the owner has to work with the car, so when the Vet is repo'd, it's flat bedded away most of the time instead. Truth is, it not uncommon for some third tier finance companies to either install a low jack and even disabler into the car, that way they can disable the car when it not parked in a secured garage, to make it that much easier to flat bed away if it needs to be repo's instead,, IE Onstar if in the car, can be used for such by them as well.


As for why most install shops will not install an alarm system, can cause too much RF noise that will interfere with the Fob signals, and even voltage draw problems with some of the modules. Plus you screw up on the install, and it going to be very expensive to replace the damage caused by an after market install screw up a well.

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Old May 24, 2018 | 07:55 AM
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I don't see the point, if they want in, they will get in. Damage would already be done with anything that is big enough to trigger alarm.
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So there you have your answer as to why the company won't install another alarm on Corvettes. It is a VERY unusual request so they have little if any experience doing it. If you insist that you have to have multiple systems, it probably isn't going to be easy but there are many DIY solutions. Just don't expect to get one of those all in ones that include things like remote starting.
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The reason they probably CAN'T do it is due to the factory wiring of the key fob, most likely.

Due to the C6's unique nature of being early adopters of keyless entry it has an all-or-none nature of the key-fob detection. This means adding an aftermarket alarm that ties into the start-up system (anti-theft shut-down) can't be used. At least not without extensive re-wiring of primary systems. In order to interface with the motor start-up system, the key-fob must be present. And if the key-fob is present, then anyone near the car has full access to every system including locks, engine start, and shift-from-park.

Newer keyless sytems have segregated the systems making integration much easier. Without a key-fob nearby, the car can start but not shift-from-park, for example.


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it isn't because other people don't want car alarms, it is because the C6 isn't wired to easily add car alarms

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Originally Posted by ptroxx
I’ve never seen someone with an aftermarket alarm.
I’d almost think with all the nanny’s these cars have it wouldn’t be easy. Lol. But hey to each his own.

Wheel locks and Ins. Only way to break in is break glass.

Our cars are the hardest to break into.


What do you wanna be notified for. To confront the people. That could even worse.

It’s only a car. And we have Ins.
Yes, I want to be notified and absolutely, if necessary, I will confront them. Wheel locks are a joke. Glass is easily broken...I have insurance, yes...but it goes up with every use. I want to be able to defend my property. I didn't work my whole life to just give away my stuff.
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Originally Posted by bartsky
Almost nobody that I know of installs an additional alarm on their C6.
I will be, as soon as I can find someone that can do it.
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Old May 24, 2018 | 02:28 PM
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I appreciate all of you who replied. However, my question was NOT about IF I should install an additional alarm...It was about: why is it so difficult, and also...possibly finding an installer in or around the Houston area, and/or what system would be best.
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Old May 24, 2018 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mellojoe
The reason they probably CAN'T do it is due to the factory wiring of the key fob, most likely.

Due to the C6's unique nature of being early adopters of keyless entry it has an all-or-none nature of the key-fob detection. This means adding an aftermarket alarm that ties into the start-up system (anti-theft shut-down) can't be used. At least not without extensive re-wiring of primary systems. In order to interface with the motor start-up system, the key-fob must be present. And if the key-fob is present, then anyone near the car has full access to every system including locks, engine start, and shift-from-park.

Newer keyless sytems have segregated the systems making integration much easier. Without a key-fob nearby, the car can start but not shift-from-park, for example.


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it isn't because other people don't want car alarms, it is because the C6 isn't wired to easily add car alarms

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Find a high end car audio place somewhere near you. That is probably going to be your best bet. You will also need to give up one of your key fobs in most cases, especially if you want remote start.

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Here is a link to the wiring diagram.
http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew...gdiagrams.aspx

As you can see they do not recommend a remote start. However; in a past life I was an installer and I see nothing here that would prevent me from installing an alarm. Think you just need to find the right installer and make sure they know you are not interested in remote start.
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Originally Posted by Larry921
Yes, I want to be notified and absolutely, if necessary, I will confront them. Wheel locks are a joke. Glass is easily broken...I have insurance, yes...but it goes up with every use. I want to be able to defend my property. I didn't work my whole life to just give away my stuff.
Good luck with this. Texas or not you will be 100% at fault if you hurt someone rather than contact the police once notified your car is being broken into. It’s not a life it’s property. Easily replaced.


But I understand. And I’m sure a high end installer can hook you up easy. That’s what they do.
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Good luck with this. Texas or not you will be 100% at fault if you hurt someone rather than contact the police once notified your car is being broken into. It’s not a life it’s property. Easily replaced.


But I understand. And I’m sure a high end installer can hook you up easy. That’s what they do.
Texas law states that a person's vehicle is considered to be an extension of the home. We are allowed to carry concealed in our vehicles because of this without having a CCL, and are granted the right to protect our "home" with force if necessary.
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Texas law states that a person's vehicle is considered to be an extension of the home. We are allowed to carry concealed in our vehicles because of this without having a CCL, and are granted the right to protect our "home" with force if necessary.
Better take a good look at the law, since even in Colorado with the make my day law, their are Criteria that have to be meet before you can use deadly force even in your own domain.

So unless you are in the car, and you are protecting yourself or others from immediate threat of your life , you can't just come out of the the house blazing away on someone trying to break into your car outside instead.

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Originally Posted by Dano523
Better take a good look at the law, since even in Colorado with the make my day law, their are Criteria that have to be meet before you can use deadly force even in your own domain.

So unless you are in the car, and you are protecting yourself or others from immediate threat of your life , you can't just come out of the the house blazing away on someone trying to break into your car outside instead.
You are so correct here. But trying to explain that to a Texan is like leading an elephant to water.
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