Having to install a rollcage or rollbar so buddy can take his car to the saturday evening drag isnt exactly going to spur sales. I am not even worried about the fire extinguisher, and nomex suit and helmet.

 

I think if the C6 came out with 425HP it would not **** me off. The C5 had 8 years to get more powerful and I think it gained 5 Hp in 8 years. Pretty sad. now to go below the level of the ZO6 I think is silly.
Great marketing idea, make the base C6 faster than the C5 ZO6 and a lot of ZO6 owners will want to buy a C6 or at least the new ZO6 when it comes out.

I know I would.

 

I was hoping for a nicer interior but I will reserve judgement until I see the car. The Power may go up by June, plus I think they are underating them. I like the side not sure about the front. But again will reserve judgement until I see it in person. Also the color on the scans does not flatter the car. Jinx I know where your coming from.

GDP great AVATAR, don't change a thing it is cool.

 

:iagree: :skep:

 

I think it's done wonders for the subject of controversy. Just look around this section.

 

There's no way a new Corvette can avoid controversy. Too many options, not enough options, too luxurious, not luxurious enough, enough power, not enough power, bland styling, off-course styling... at 30,000 cars per year and with a fifty-year history, you can't make everybody happy.

.Jinx
but the headlights still suck. :-)

 

Fair 'nuf :cheers:

 

Jinx, what would you have liked to see on the Headlights?

 

Exactly...the C5 didn't really differ (in appearance I'm talking) from the C4 by THAT much either, this car is a classic and typical evolution/progression of the C5 as far as styling goes.
400 is 50 horsepower more than the current base C5s! Enough said there. :yesnod:
Please don't comment on the quality/feel of the interior until you sit in/feel it...it may look a bit bland but it at appears as if decent materials are used throughout. For years now people have been complaining about how the German/Japanese cars had this or that among their interiors and now that the new Corvette seems to have a similar look to other highline cars everyone is complaining. :confused:

 

I think that brown is perhaps an unflattering color for the interior, it looks like the interior in my 73 vette and it looks better in other colors than brown. Brown just makes it dull and generic looking.

 

Three projector bulbs in a horizontal arrangement slightly recessed to give a distinct "eyebrow," with a black or bodycolor surround. High-beam, low-beam, and turn signal. DRLs down below the bumper line, adjacent the "fog"/"driving" vanity lights.

In other words, respect that Corvette styling has for decades avoided big eyeballs, and make the fixed headlamps small and functional, not huge dominating distractions.

Pods under glass suck. A huge upsweeping-into-the-fender cutout sucks.

.Jinx

 

Since this thread is titled "problems I see", here are the things I'm disappointed with about the new design:

--Headlights look like they were taken directly off a 3000GT(almost identical)
--The egg crate front end is a huge design mistake("braceface" isn't pretty)
--The rear end looks like an afterthought re-styling of the 1984-1990 cars
--The ridiculous plastic coverings around the back-up lights and 3rd brake light
--Moving the "Corvette" logo from in between the brake lights and putting the new emblem there instead(just doesn't look right to me)
--The new wheels are very similar to the outgoing C5 wheels(should have come up with a new style)
--The dashboard on the passenger side looks like it came straight out of a Chevy truck
--The steering wheel is absolutely BRUTAL! Did somebody actually think it looked good?
--Overall, the interior is not nearly as improved and upscale as I expected it to be(in fact, I don't see a lot of improvement over the C5 aside from the seats)
--While 400hp is definitely nothing to complain about, I was actually expecting something more like 420 or 425. That's a very minor gripe, however.

The bottom line is that the C6 is a major letdown to me. I know some people here will love it and I'm glad they're more excited with what they've seen than I am. I was already making arrangements to sell my C5 so I could make room for a new C6 until I actually saw the final product. Now, I have completely changed my mind and have absolutely no intention of getting rid my C5. It still looks a thousand times better than the new style to me and I'll gladly keep it until I can find a suitable replacement. My loyalty has always been to Corvette(over 14 years now), but I think they've finally lost me with this one.


[Modified by BMadden, 8:12 AM 12/24/2003]

 

Yeah but like someone said above, the C5 increased 5HP in 8 years. GM could have done more. Is 400 ok? Yeah. Does 400 make me go "Holy crap!"....no. To me it seems with all that engineering they did and all that time that the .3L and a little better breathing could have gotten 400HP. Granted we have heard the torque curve is improved but again that's displacement likely... It's just that on the surface it doesn't seem like they did that much. Just my uneducated opinion.

Agree 100%


[Modified by yellow01, 8:57 AM 12/24/2003]


[Modified by yellow01, 8:58 AM 12/24/2003]

 

The fact it has 400 does not surprise me at all. They have to maintain the mileage (especially with the slush-o-matics) and leave themselves room for slight nudges in upcoming years. I would not be surprised to see the new Z not quite make 500 first year either, but they will probably give eough to make most people want it anyway.

 

:rant: I can tell you right now I won't even whiff at the at the New Z06 unless it's 500+ hp; I can mod my '02 Z06 to stay even with it if it's less. That would be a huge mistake if GM mad that sucker under 500!!! :steering:

 

Simple. 300 lbs less weight and 430 X 430 in the engine. A six speed auto would have been a bonus. All of which is not fantasy but a matter of GM choice as to where they spend their $s. :cool:


[Modified by I Bin Therbefor, 3:33 PM 12/24/2003]

 

With Lutz running the show i think the headlights were simply a cost cut disguised as a styling cue.

The Silverado pick-up is a good example of that, Lutz said if you want that you have to take this off to cut cost....so there went the extra side trims, the pollen filter in the cab, the light under the hood, the full overhead consul and so on. :rant:

 

I would have preferred that GM leave the basic design of the dashboard and steering wheel in tact while upgrading the material used to fabricate it. I don't like the "stack" either. It doesn't blend in very well. I like the way the C5's dash, stack, and steering wheel flows all together like a work of art (sans the Rubbermaid material). I don't think GM was worried about ZO6 owners when they decided that 400 HP was enough of an increase for the new engine. People would have thrown rocks no matter what the increase was. As I've said before, I believe GM and their design team did a good job overall. I expect minor changes in the first couple of years to the base coupe. Bottomline, I'm keeping my C5 and saving the wave! :D

 

I can live with almost anything (not enough power - I'll mod, not the prettiest steering wheel - I can get used ot it) except:

The car is UGLY!!! :sad::sad::sad:
Call it whatever you want (evolution, historical cues - I don't care), the bottom line the front looks like s h i t. :U

I know looks are subjective, but anybody who's got a sense of style will agree.

I know it usually looks different in real life, but it's so f**ked up right now I donÂ’t see how it can be THAT much better in real life.

The only thing I hope for right now is that C6 Z06 will look different. But my hopes are slipping away.... :nonod:



[Modified by EuG, 11:32 AM 12/24/2003]

 

EuG, we all have our opinion and ideas of what looks good. My opinion is that the car is far from ugly. If anyone understands marketing and the corporate culture of GM, you would understand the C6 as a product. They voiced their design goals years ago...and if yáll were listening you would realize they met those goals. This car is exactly what I expected. If you haven´t been around Corvettes that long, GM will condition you not to expect much(ie...the 50th car...the Z16). If yáll have been around Corvettes for awhile, then shame on yáll.....you should know better. Yáll have to realize what a Corvette is. It is not built just to satisfy YOU or YOU or YOU or ME. It is not a Lambo or a Ferarri. But it performs damn close to or better than those marques. All for 50 grand. That is the kicker....50 grand!!!! Costs HAVE to be considered. Guess what happens when the checkbook is wide open during design....can you say Ford GT. A very badass car, no doubt, but it started at 100k then 140k then 150k and now I have heard it is around 170k. WOO HOO. I can´t wait to get one of those at such a bargain...NOT.

If I have a disappointment it is the fact that the Auto is a 4sp instead of a 5 or 6sp.....but it gets back to that corporate culture/marketing thing. That would cost them CAFE fuel mileage therefore it isn´t there(just a guess). There are a helluva lot of compromises that they have to make and yet they still turn out a very decent car. If you don´t want compromises, go get a Ferarri or a Lambo or a GT or a Carerra GT.

The bottom line is that they have to please a lot of people when they put this car out. They also have to protect and propagate the legendary status of the Corvette. In my opinion, they are dead on.

THE LEGEND CONTINUES.....better than ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS....if any of you are expecting 500hp out of the ZO6, you might wanna brace yourself for another fall(don´t yáll ever learn). I just don´t see it happening. I hope I am wrong, but you heard it first right here....it ain´t gonna happen.