Problems I see
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Problems I see
I think the main reason people are upset about the C6 is that people expected more. But then you start wondering what they were expecting? They dont know. They have no clue. But they did spend all their time speculating and over analyzing ever nuance there is related to the C6 and got some crazy impression of what the C6 would be.
Fantasy doesnt always make for a good reality.
Fantasy doesnt always make for a good reality.
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Re: Problems I see (GDP)
I expected more from the entire interior, although I am not unhappy with what they did. The steering wheel doesn't bug me like it seems to be everyone else, but it doesn't seem to go with the rest of the interior. The gauge cluster seems to look like the current Z06 and seems a bit boring. The seats look pretty weak. The center stack looks great. I wish the press car would have had the navigation so we could have seen what the LCD panel would look like.
I would have expected an interior on par with the GTO, really.
BUT, I want more pictures and I want to touch one in person. I can see they added a lot of soft leather in places that you touch, and that goes a long, long way. These magazine scans are crappy quality and the pictures are crappy quality and the color choice is the worst possible one, IMO.
I like the front and rear of the car, and the side profile is just amazing.
I expected slightly more from the horsepower standpoint but I'm not really disappointed in it, either. I'm just surprised that they're going for a 100HP gap between the "base" model and the Z06...
I would have expected an interior on par with the GTO, really.
BUT, I want more pictures and I want to touch one in person. I can see they added a lot of soft leather in places that you touch, and that goes a long, long way. These magazine scans are crappy quality and the pictures are crappy quality and the color choice is the worst possible one, IMO.
I like the front and rear of the car, and the side profile is just amazing.
I expected slightly more from the horsepower standpoint but I'm not really disappointed in it, either. I'm just surprised that they're going for a 100HP gap between the "base" model and the Z06...
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Re: Problems I see (Guru_4_hire)
I know what I expected:
> A unique and aggressive headlight treatment.
> 425hp -- a number that distances it from lesser cars and registers respect from ubersedans, and a linear progression from LS6.
> A net gain in quality and style in the interior
> Styling as elegant, unified, and timeless as previous generations.
I also hoped for elimination of the second-class Corvette, but I had a feeling GM would see the Z06 brand as gold and aggressively protect it.
We'll have to give C6 some time to see where it stands on the overall styling issue. Otherwise, it's a very specific disappointment.
.Jinx
> A unique and aggressive headlight treatment.
> 425hp -- a number that distances it from lesser cars and registers respect from ubersedans, and a linear progression from LS6.
> A net gain in quality and style in the interior
> Styling as elegant, unified, and timeless as previous generations.
I also hoped for elimination of the second-class Corvette, but I had a feeling GM would see the Z06 brand as gold and aggressively protect it.
We'll have to give C6 some time to see where it stands on the overall styling issue. Otherwise, it's a very specific disappointment.
.Jinx
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Re: Problems I see (Jinx)
I think your comments are spot on. I'll withhold judgment about the car, though, until I see the thing in person. That's only a couple weeks away....
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Re: Problems I see (Jinx)
I know what I expected:
> A unique and aggressive headlight treatment.
> 425hp -- a number that distances it from lesser cars and registers respect from ubersedans, and a linear progression from LS6.
> A net gain in quality and style in the interior
> Styling as elegant, unified, and timeless as previous generations.
I also hoped for elimination of the second-class Corvette, but I had a feeling GM would see the Z06 brand as gold and aggressively protect it.
We'll have to give C6 some time to see where it stands on the overall styling issue. Otherwise, it's a very specific disappointment.
.Jinx
> A unique and aggressive headlight treatment.
> 425hp -- a number that distances it from lesser cars and registers respect from ubersedans, and a linear progression from LS6.
> A net gain in quality and style in the interior
> Styling as elegant, unified, and timeless as previous generations.
I also hoped for elimination of the second-class Corvette, but I had a feeling GM would see the Z06 brand as gold and aggressively protect it.
We'll have to give C6 some time to see where it stands on the overall styling issue. Otherwise, it's a very specific disappointment.
.Jinx
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Re: Problems I see (GDP)
Only thing that I don't like aesthetically is the steering wheel.
Well it doesn't look too much different than the C5 wheel. Personally, I love the side view of the car, but am having a hard time coping with the front. I'll wait to see the video or one in person before passing final judgement. I still like the C5 much better at this stage (of course I am partial).
P.S. GDP, you must change your Avatar, it's really not too cool...sorry
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Re: Problems I see (Jinx)
I agree that 425HP should have been the number. I really hope they didn't make 425HP because of specific technical reasons, and not just because they "didn't want to **** off the C5 Z06 owners." I'm really hard pressed to believe that would be an issue at all.
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Re: Problems I see (chadwick)
I believe that 400 was what they got from the increased displacement and a less radical cam from the Z06. I think that it will open way up with a cam change.
Plus you have the issue of you can only go so fast on a sanctioned race track with major mods to the car.
Plus you have the issue of you can only go so fast on a sanctioned race track with major mods to the car.
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Re: Problems I see (Jinx)
Uh, no. The headlights are not unique. And the interior is generic and not sporty.
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Re: Problems I see (Jinx)
I am just saying that the rampant speculation has overhyped the thing and now people are jaded against the vehicle based upon pie in the sky speculation.
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Re: Problems I see (Jinx)
The headlights are the only logical headlight design if they need to abandon the pop-ups. There is nothing unoriginal about them. Popups arent exactly original either when they have been around forever, long before the vette was a dream in the eye of an engineer somewhere.
The interior is taking cues from modern design and decoration. It doesnt have the star trek look to me.
and 400 is a nice round number and probably obtaining it with an economy cam and idle. And pray-tell what the difference between 425 and 400 would be when you are looking at blown pickups and sedans with upwards of 500. AND how fast can you go on a sanctioned track without major mods to the car for safety?
The interior is taking cues from modern design and decoration. It doesnt have the star trek look to me.
and 400 is a nice round number and probably obtaining it with an economy cam and idle. And pray-tell what the difference between 425 and 400 would be when you are looking at blown pickups and sedans with upwards of 500. AND how fast can you go on a sanctioned track without major mods to the car for safety?
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Re: Problems I see (Guru_4_hire)
How can they be the only logical headlight design, and have nothing unoriginal about them? Contradiction.
The 94-97 Integra, the '05 Mustang, the RX-8, the Infiniti M45, BMWs, Mercedes, and other cars have headlights that don't look like they came out of the Ferrari parts bin. Oh, but there's only one logical headlight design. And there's nothing unoriginal about it.
The interior is taking cues from plebeian cars.
And maybe there's more to life than quarter-miling a bone-stock sports car. You're not actually advocating the Corvette have less performance just so owners don't have to install safety equipment, are you?
.Jinx
The 94-97 Integra, the '05 Mustang, the RX-8, the Infiniti M45, BMWs, Mercedes, and other cars have headlights that don't look like they came out of the Ferrari parts bin. Oh, but there's only one logical headlight design. And there's nothing unoriginal about it.
The interior is taking cues from plebeian cars.
And maybe there's more to life than quarter-miling a bone-stock sports car. You're not actually advocating the Corvette have less performance just so owners don't have to install safety equipment, are you?
.Jinx
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Re: Problems I see (Guru_4_hire)
At the end of the day GM is a huge company that can't take risks with it's flagship. I wasn't expecting anything as hot as the Aston DB9 or Audi Le Mans since this car has to sell to a broader audiance. Given the constraints of GM's management I say this is a good though conservative step forward. It keeps the car current without pushing the edge to the point of causing controversy. I think my only real complaints about the car are lack of an Automatic 6-Speed and/or SMG. The front grill is a little bland, but I thought the same of the C5 when it first came out too and it grew on me as well.
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Re: Problems I see (Guru_4_hire)
I am just saying that the rampant speculation has overhyped the thing and now people are jaded against the vehicle based upon pie in the sky speculation.