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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 01:46 PM
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I wonder what's going to happen the first time an owner of a new C6 pulls into a gas station or some other parking lot and gets asked "hey, is that the new Camaro"? With the new front end, I'm betting the farm that will happen more than a few times. The great thing about all previous Corvettes(1953-2004) is that they were unmistakably 'Vette and looked like nothing else, but the C6 has so many different styling cues making up its look that people aren't going to know what the hell it is. It's a combination of 3000GT/Stealth, RX-8, S2000, Viper and Camaro all rolled into one. The design team had plenty of time to come up with better treatments for the front and rear of this car(from the side it looks ok) and it's embarassing that this is the final product. It's not going to "wow" anybody the way previous 'Vettes have, but rather it will just blend into the background with everything else on the road today. That's a shame.
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 02:03 PM
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Default Re: Problems I see (Guru_4_hire)

Does it really matter what Chevy has done with the C6? If we had gotten 425 HP folks would still be bitchin, if they had reduced the weight 100 pounds folks would still be bitchin, if the steering wheel was different folks would still be bitchin.

The vast majority of us love the car "as is".

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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 02:25 PM
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i read just about every word written about the c5 when it came out and there was an even higher level of dislike. Many people complained that it looked exactly like a ford probe. of course that is before anyone saw it in person. after everyone saw an actual c5 in the flesh i didnt see anymore c5/fordprobe comparisons. i learned you cant trust pictures. sports cars like the c5 have a presence when standing next to them that rarely is communicated via photographs.
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 02:36 PM
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How can they be the only logical headlight design, and have nothing unoriginal about them? Contradiction.

The 94-97 Integra, the '05 Mustang, the RX-8, the Infiniti M45, BMWs, Mercedes, and other cars have headlights that don't look like they came out of the Ferrari parts bin. Oh, but there's only one logical headlight design. And there's nothing unoriginal about it.

The interior is taking cues from plebeian cars.

And maybe there's more to life than quarter-miling a bone-stock sports car. You're not actually advocating the Corvette have less performance just so owners don't have to install safety equipment, are you?

.Jinx
First off, the new Mustang looks like it's as aerodynamic as an ice cream truck or the Oscar Meyer Wiener mobile. So it's original, but at what a price. Next, while not a single magazine has questioned BMW's originality, all have said that Chris Bangle's push to be "cutting edge" has ultimately led to a less desirable car. So for a designer to seek originality for its own sake can have negative effects, and maintaining functionality (i.e. a good drag coefficient) dictates to some extent what you can and can't do.

Let's put it this way - with how many different sports cars have the C6's headlights been compared? That alone suggests that all of those named (including S2000, Viper, RX8, 3000GT, XJ8, etc) have some degree of similarity. Which tells me one thing - that designers are forced to make certain concessions to originality both to maintain an aerodynamic car and to create an acceptable design.

Of course more power is always better, but 400 horsepower is friggin' awesome to me... more than a Ferrari 360, Porsche 911 GT3, and Maserati Coupe :eek: (am I the only person that realizes this????), let alone cars closer to its price range like the Boxster. And this is the BASE car!!

The interior, while no Maybach, looks well-executed to me (okay, except that I'm not in love with the steering wheel). If you look closely the gauges have bezels and are tiered nicely. And fit, finish, and feel are all said to be WAY above the C5's. Put a picture of the C5's interior up against these of the C6's. No comparison.

If you really think this car is for plebeians and not worthy of patricians like yourself then go buy a Porsche, pay twice the money, get less power, and nestle down in an interior that's in many ways more stark. But at least you'll have "panache". :rolleyes:
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 02:53 PM
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I can live with almost anything (not enough power - I'll mod, not the prettiest steering wheel - I can get used ot it) except:

The car is UGLY!!! :sad::sad::sad:
Call it whatever you want (evolution, historical cues - I don't care), the bottom line the front looks like s h i t. :U
Based on what I've seen so far, I call it "de-evolution".
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 03:04 PM
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Hi. On your reasoning that GM can't make this Corvette look as nice as a Lamborghini or a Ferrari because they didn't have any money to allocate to that area, because it was used on the performance aspects... I don't agree. Take any of the previous model year Corvettes and put them side by side with the same year model(s) from either of those Italian marques, and the Corvette compares very favorably in style. Look at recent Corvette generations and you'll see that the performance has also been on par. They could have done a much better job on the styling for the C6.
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 03:30 PM
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Hi. On your reasoning that GM can't make this Corvette look as nice as a Lamborghini or a Ferrari because they didn't have any money to allocate to that area, because it was used on the performance aspects... I don't agree. Take any of the previous model year Corvettes and put them side by side with the same year model(s) from either of those Italian marques, and the Corvette compares very favorably in style. Look at recent Corvette generations and you'll see that the performance has also been on par. They could have done a much better job on the styling for the C6.
Agreed! :iagree:

Styling has little to do with compromises GM has to make in order to make it affordable.

I'll agree with you if you talk about 400HP vs <whatever you hoped for> or no weight reduction :( , or even lack of real brakes - I can deal with all that.

But how does making a car ugly has anything to do with it's costs??? :confused:
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Old Dec 24, 2003 | 03:46 PM
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I believe that 400 was what they got from the increased displacement and a less radical cam from the Z06. I think that it will open way up with a cam change.

Plus you have the issue of you can only go so fast on a sanctioned race track with major mods to the car.
:iagree: I have a feeling that the LS2 will open up with a few simple mods. Like our LS1s can gain an easy 20hp+- with just an intake change since they gave us such a crappy intake. When the car comes out all you really got to do is give it a 20 min intake swap with what ever comes out for C6 after market and you'll have your 425hp. With a cam i think you can easily see the 500hp you want. I would of liked to see a higher base number but what i'm really interested in right now is the aftermarket parts that will be comming out for the C6 and see how much hp people can't squeeze out of the LS2 and how much power the LS2 can handle. Lets hope its bottom end is nice and strong :D
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 01:43 AM
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The front is nasty. I like everything else about the car, but that fugly front end and headlights tend to negatively dominate the car as a whole. Its horrible. :U :U

WTF :confused:
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Old Dec 25, 2003 | 02:15 AM
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the insurance co will love hearing about the 500+ HP,you guys were not around back in 1966 when you could not sell big block corvettes because the insurance payment a month was more than the car payment,i was. i pay about $900 a year to insure my C-5 and i hope my C-6 does not cost any more. GM knows what the insurance co will put up with. the difference between the viper and the corvette is that viper sell 1500 cars a year and corvette sell 35,000 cars a year and if the insurance is too expensive for the masses they will not sell 35,000 corvettes :chevy
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I believe that 400 was what they got from the increased displacement and a less radical cam from the Z06. I think that it will open way up with a cam change.

Plus you have the issue of you can only go so fast on a sanctioned race track with major mods to the car.

:iagree: I have a feeling that the LS2 will open up with a few simple mods. Like our LS1s can gain an easy 20hp+- with just an intake change since they gave us such a crappy intake. When the car comes out all you really got to do is give it a 20 min intake swap with what ever comes out for C6 after market and you'll have your 425hp. With a cam i think you can easily see the 500hp you want. I would of liked to see a higher base number but what i'm really interested in right now is the aftermarket parts that will be comming out for the C6 and see how much hp people can't squeeze out of the LS2 and how much power the LS2 can handle. Lets hope its bottom end is nice and strong :D
Yeah I think the LS2 will take to mods very nicely
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