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Old Feb 2, 2004 | 02:57 PM
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I think the C6 has the WOW factor, as does the C5. I can't tell you how many people, many of them total strangers, have come up to me and complemented me on how sharp my Vette looks.

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No wow........ok what if someone said this new corvette could reach 185+mph and be just a tick below the current Z06 on the race track, have a zero to 60 to time that can be beat by only cars on the fingers of your one hand, and have JD Powers getting ready to lust over the quality and fit an finish.........not have to pay gas guzzler tax...........and will have interior noise levels subdued so that you hear the hearty sexy voice of an american small block legend and not tire noise and beat Porsche Carreras on the race track at mega thousands less........every square mm of C6 has been scrutinized and improved..........the body chiseled in the wind tunnel after hundreds of hours of development and have a price 50 to 100 hundred thousand less than the super cars it will beat...........thats not wow........and oh by the its AMERICAN.........The styling is functional for its performance........not to impress any one other than sophisticated corvette enthusiasts who see its lineage and understand the dominating performance it brings..........oh by the way this is just the beginning.....
Sounds like we may have a Forum member who has actually driven a C6. Well, KB, I think the issue is simply that we have a lot of satisfied C5 owners here. I know I'm one. You mention tire noise. Since I put the Pilot Sports on my car, that hasn't been an issue. With the Z51 and good tires, I also have a car that can put new Porsches to shame. Unlike previous Vettes, my C5 is tight as a drum in all respects. 38K miles and no squeaks or rattles. My car is probably worth something in the low 20's right now. What would I get and what would it cost me to move into a C6? Given the fact that I don't desire OnStar or a nav system, the improvement for me would be the extra 50 hp and a slightly stiffer chassis. Rather than spend about $20K for an incremental improvement, I'll wait for the Z06 version and spend a little more to get the extra WOW factor over my present car. It's neat that you get to drive an F16. I'm a pilot myself. I used to have a Citabria. Chuck Yeager gave a presentation at Oshkosh a few years ago, and in the question and answer session that followed someone asked him what his favorite plane was. I can't give an exact quote from memory, but his response was something like he liked every fighter he had ever flown. The C6 would be a runaway best seller if it weren't for the C5.
Old Feb 3, 2004 | 05:50 PM
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C6 do like it from pictures. Wow, well maybe not that, but I will be going to the Chicago Auto Show to see it. Now going with that as seeing not driving them Wow the GT40 and the Cobra Concept!
Old Feb 7, 2004 | 04:06 PM
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I agree, there is now "WoW" factor. It doesn't make me jump and say that I need to trade my '01 for it. It's basically my car all over again with an increase of 50HP (okay...so I can go from 0-60 in 3 10ths of a second faster)and tires that are just a bit bigger...other than that...no real difference.
It's sort of like what Ford did with the Mustang. The '94 Mustang came out with a shape that really cheated the wind (lots of curves,etc.)...so what did they do? They came out with the '99 version and added a lot of angles and dangles to it...to me the '94 Mustang should have been the '99 and vice versa.
The C6 has more creases in it and then they added the Pontiac Plastic to it's rear (lower bottom and high-mounted brake like)...instead of evolution, they went backwards...I hope they can sell it.
I'll bet the remaining 2004 C5s are selling like hotcakes now!

I agree with this statement for the most part. While I will admit that the technical improvements are many over the C5(options like DVD-NAV, Xenon headlights, XM Radio, OnStar, heated seats, push button start, etc) I don't see a major improvement in the interior or exterior of the car. In fact, it could be argued that the C5 looks better than the C6 both inside and out. Personally, I wish GM would have kept the same design and added all the gadgets and the extra 50 hp to the C5, but that's just my feeling on the subject. I'm sure there are some who like the looks of the C6 better so to each their own.


Old Feb 8, 2004 | 10:39 AM
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Yea, that's the answer. Keep the looks of a C5!!

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Old Feb 8, 2004 | 01:24 PM
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Hey, you can laugh all you want, but I think the C5 looks better and there are a lot of people that seem to agree. The C6 is a step backwards in terms of design with its' 1984-1990 designed rear end and a front end that is a combination of Camaro/3000GT/Viper. If GM really wanted to move forward with the 'Vette, they should have brought in Reeves Callaway to give the C6 a completely new look. That's just my opinion.
Old Feb 8, 2004 | 09:59 PM
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IMO you are observant but not necesarily correct in your estimate of what Corvette needs to compete. The C6 is definately a more subtle and sophisticated evolution of the C5 not a radical departure. Porsche has been in business a long time doing just that kind of evolution on the 911 series. If Corvette goes that way, I believe the future is far more secure than trying to WOW each generation.

Lets see what the sales figures bring in for the C6.

The C5/C6 is emulating the Porsche philosophy in one other way, a racing program that is tightly ties into the development program of the production car. That's one thing I personally appreciate. GM's engineers are as good as any on earth, you just have to set them the right tasks. The race track developed suspensions on the production car are beginning to show that you don't have to come from the EU to know how to make a car handle.
Old Feb 9, 2004 | 10:09 PM
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The C5 is destined to be a classic! The C6 is an improvement with an agenda: reach a larger market. The diff. in price is going to be hard to swallow, esp. the vert. I will wait to see if MSRP is reasonable for giving up a winning combo.
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Old Feb 10, 2004 | 12:25 AM
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After looking at every picture posted here and every publication I could get my hands on, I have a small "Wow" on the styling, but a big "Wow" on the progression of the Corvette. I buy a car to drive... Not to be looked at. I want to drive a C6.

With the C6 I got what I expected. Evolution vs. revolution.

After seeing the past decade of European cars following the same evolution, I don't "Wow" over the latest iteration of the 911, Audi, Mercedes, or BMW (actually BMW makes me wonder what happened... No offense to current BMW owners...) I respect all of those car makers, and love their products. My point is, the C6 hasn't dissappointed me anymore than it's competitors have impressed me.

And how about the current Viper? Watched the latest generation in my review mirror today... Boring styling... Honda on steroids.

The C6 may not be a huge step forward, but it's a nice one...
Old Feb 10, 2004 | 03:17 AM
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After looking at every picture posted here and every publication I could get my hands on, I have a small "Wow" on the styling, but a big "Wow" on the progression of the Corvette. I buy a car to drive... Not to be looked at. I want to drive a C6.

With the C6 I got what I expected. Evolution vs. revolution.

After seeing the past decade of European cars following the same evolution, I don't "Wow" over the latest iteration of the 911, Audi, Mercedes, or BMW (actually BMW makes me wonder what happened... No offense to current BMW owners...) I respect all of those car makers, and love their products. My point is, the C6 hasn't dissappointed me anymore than it's competitors have impressed me.

And how about the current Viper? Watched the latest generation in my review mirror today... Boring styling... Honda on steroids.

The C6 may not be a huge step forward, but it's a nice one...

Sorry, but the Viper hardly looks like a Honda on steroids. In fact, I think it is much better looking than the C6, but that's just me.
Old Feb 10, 2004 | 09:33 AM
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C4 was released, 84, ran w/ the best of them, fastest production car ever built.
... and GM gave it an 85 MPH speedo!

I think GM did a pretty good job with the C6 (I'm basing that comment on pictures only, mind you). I'm sure the car will look even better in person.

I hope I have the opportunity to drive one someday.
Old Feb 10, 2004 | 10:59 PM
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The first Viper had a huge WOW factor. The GTS made my WOW meter go even higher. The second generation looks, to me (my opinion, only) like a Honda S2000 after eating it's Wheaties. In other words, the first Viper was a WOW, the second generation a ho-hum. I don't deny that the current generation Viper is a hot set of wheels. However, from a styling standpoint, if my ship comes in, I'd look for a used 1st generation coupe.

I'm biased, of course, but the changes in C6 from C5 went the right way. The changes in the Viper went the wrong way. I'm not alone. The new Viper is not the hot market item it's predecessor was.

But disagreement is healthy! Cheers, and Drive On!
Old Feb 10, 2004 | 11:49 PM
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The first Viper had a huge WOW factor. The GTS made my WOW meter go even higher. The second generation looks, to me (my opinion, only) like a Honda S2000 after eating it's Wheaties. In other words, the first Viper was a WOW, the second generation a ho-hum. I don't deny that the current generation Viper is a hot set of wheels. However, from a styling standpoint, if my ship comes in, I'd look for a used 1st generation coupe.

I'm biased, of course, but the changes in C6 from C5 went the right way. The changes in the Viper went the wrong way. I'm not alone. The new Viper is not the hot market item it's predecessor was.

But disagreement is healthy! Cheers, and Drive On!

I'm kinda glad to hear this about the Viper not being the hot market item 'cause I might actually be able to pick one up at a decent price when I sell my C5. My original plan was to sell the C5 to get a C6, but now that I've abandoned that plan I may just set my sights on the Viper. Can't beat 500-500-500!
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what's 500-500-500? Is that comp, collision and monthly insurance?
Kidding, but seriously, didn't all Vettes for their time have the wow factor?
Even nowa great looking shiny C2 or C3 just drops my jaw... At the time, the C4 was a remarkable piece of machinery. Slightly mass produced so there are more of them seen, so less wow. Grand Sport? Not quite so many. To me C5s are gorgeous, I can't wait to get one. C6.... Sigh...smile....wow...
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The current Viper is good looking, but there is no denying that it looks like the S2000's big brother.

Any Corvette is better looking than any product from DC.
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The current Viper is good looking, but there is no denying that it looks like the S2000's big brother.

Any Corvette is better looking than any product from DC.

Well, here's where we can agree to disagree. I think the Viper looks 10x better than the C6 and it looks like anything but a Honda S2000 to me. Also, the 500 hp, 500 ft. lb. torque and 500ci engine make it that much sweeter of a package. Given the choice, I'd take the Viper over the C6 any day, but that's just me.
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 06:27 PM
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You can laugh all you want, but at least I'm willing to be unbiased when comparing these cars. I love 'Vettes just as much as the next guy, but I will also be the first to admit when they've been outdone. The Viper wipes the floor with the C6 no matter what you might think. It's that simple!
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I agree, the Viper is an impressive car. If I had the bucks I would put the previous generation coupe in my garage. However, have you not read all of the comparisons between the Viper and the Z06? The Viper has some nice raw numbers, but on the track, the Z06 runs neck to neck. And the Z06 always wins as a daily driver vs. a weekend toy.

So, in looking at the C6 specs, with torque equal to the C5 Z06, I would guess that the Viper may be somewhat stronger in some areas, but the C6 will be pretty darn close... And at about $25,000 less!

Heck, for the price of a Viper, I could buy an 04 Z06 AND a used C5 convertible... Plus I could drive them everyday!

We haven't even gotten to the C6 Z06, which will likely equal the Viper HP. So if the current Z06 can keep up with a Viper, the '06 Z06 ought to clean it's clock... (maybe a little floor wiping??)

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You can laugh all you want, but at least I'm willing to be unbiased when comparing these cars. I love 'Vettes just as much as the next guy, but I will also be the first to admit when they've been outdone. The Viper wipes the floor with the C6 no matter what you might think. It's that simple!



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