I don't run meth. Not because i dislike it or anything. But because i'm not trying to make insane power and i'm running low boost........i didn't feel like spending the extra money.

It is a good thing. don't get me wrong. but technically, with a good tune, and assuming you're not trying to break any speed records, you don't Need it.

 

Lower AIT's do nothing but help.

 

So, I guess since the majority of supercharger kits don't come with a boost gauge or a boost compensating fuel pressure regulator, then you don't need one of those, either? This is busted logic (and you are quite possibly the most logical person on this board!)!

Sam, you're far too intelligent to believe the statement above.

Exactly!

Do you REQUIRE meth? No. Do you need meth? Yes! It's cheap insurance! Why on earth would you push a stock bottom-end without it?

 

This is the first time I've heard referance to this. Can you explain this (or point me in the right direction to reasearch this) please?

 

I've decided that I've become a meth addict, I've been blinded by my addiction, (Dr.Drew helped me with the 1st step) I NO longer believe anyone should run Meth on their car, as the H.P., safety, and huge money savings (over race gas/octane booster) is not worth the cost of the many MANY tire lives that it ruins. I have continued to repeatedly abuse, and hurt some of my very favorite and closest tire friends... I must ask forgiveness for my actions... And please what EVER you do DON'T run Meth...















Damn IT!!! I just went out for groceries and had a relapse!!!

 

LMAO!

 

It's TRUE! I've kept this quiet as long as I can!!!

Bigs burns through rubber with wreckless abandonement! It doesn't matter if it's Nitto 345's or a 4" Trojan!!! He murders the rubber and it's all due to meth! Godamnit man!

The authorities have been alerted.

 

You’re all very sick human beings and need help, By the way, who makes the best kit that can fit under the hood.

 

http://www.dallasperformance.com/DPC...Alky/index.htm

 

Mr. Big on next Celebrity Rehab!!

 

That is correct. Both my turbo cars had a myriad of gauges: EGT, AFR, Boost, Fuel pressure, Oil Pressure and a knock monitor, and that did not prevent me from losing an engine when the engine leaned out top during a top speed run; it was almost instant.
So, for my supercharged C6, I have zero gauges. It cost less, it looks "cleaner", it is stealthier, and I don't miss it in any way. On a TURBO car I would say a boost gauge is essential, but since boost from a supercharger is so predictable and repeatable, all the gauge would be good for would be troubleshooting boost loss from belt slip or boost leaks, and there are many other ways of doing that.
You can't run a fuel compensating pressure regulator, or an RRFPR on the C6 because the fuel system on these cars is a dead head returnless systm. That is why most kits come with a voltage booster for the fuel pump

It has been my experience that aside from fatigue failure in very high mileage engines, around 90% of the time a boosted engine fails, it was becase the tune was too agressive for the conditions and allowed detonation to occur; engines tuned on the dyno for quick bursts of speed being forced to work full throttle for extended periods of time, engines tuned in cold weather being run in very warm weather, etc etc... The other 10% is when something just randomly goes wrong: fuel pump seals go bad and the engine doesn't get enough fuel, an injector gets partially clogged, or sticks open, etc... And there is where my comment that "meth is jut one more thing to go wrong and cost you an engine when it does" comes from.

I wouldn't push a stock bottom end regardless... The original question was "do I need meth for a basic low boost supercharger kit". 5-8PSI is not pushing anything; countless people run that on 91 octane.

 

We actually came out with our meth kit for roots style blowers?? I even have a written statement from Magnuson stating that it is 100% OK to run methanol threw their blowers! The rest was a tuning issue.

junkie!!

I could be biased, but one of the most proven kits on this forum would be...

http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.co...hol%20Kit.html







To the original poster, meth is absolutely not necessary! Especially at your boost level. We definitely install many more kits without then with, but it is certainly a great way to combat that bad load of gas and fight the high IAT's on those hot days. Plus other benefits too, but definitely not necessary, of course either is a supercharger or a Corvette for that matter, but where's the fun in that?!

Some tuners have no interest in learning how to tune for it, some might have had a bad experience with an inadequate kit, and some do not sell them because they do not have direct buying power and do not make any money off the sale so you get told it's not worth it or accurate enough. Either way, it's hard to argue with the amount of power we have made from stock engines on pump gas with meth, and the countless amount of stock street cars, nine second cars, let alone stock bottom end nine second cars, that are using it successfully.

 

Powerlabs,

You and I will simply have to agree to disagree.

I understand your point that it's not "Required" - and I agree. But you fail to understand and/or agree that it's beneficial. You can't give me ONE good reason not to run it - and I can give you a few good reasons FOR running it.

I don't share your opinion. It certainly is beneficial for the numerous reasons already listed in this thread. But we all know about opinions. I certainly hope you never lose a motor that the utilization of meth would have prevented a loss!

 

For me it was the only way to get the performance the car was designed to produce in a convenient cost effective way. The car ran amazing without tweaking fuel and timing. Adding a few degrees of advance and pulling a bit of PE at boost just further made the engine come alive.

 

Doug - Thanks for an informative and honest answer to the OP question.