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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 04:10 PM
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I'm considering forced induction for a C6 Z06, one way to lower the compression is to switch out the rotating assembly and use lower compression pistons.

Are there any companies which sell aftermarket heads with larger combustion chambers to lower the compression? Or maybe a company which CNCs the combustion chamber of stock heads to lower the compression?

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using the dished forged pistons will get you where you need to be. 9:1 or so.
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Yes, but changing out the heads, while labor intensive, would be less work than pulling the engine to change the rotating assembly.

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The stock heads have 70cc chambers, I doubt you will find any aftermarket heads with larger chambers. Besides that changing out the pistons for a set of forged low compression units will add longevity to your engines life span in a FI application.
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If you plan to push enough air in that you need lower compression, you need forged pistons.
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The stock heads have 70cc chambers, I doubt you will find any aftermarket heads with larger chambers. Besides that changing out the pistons for a set of forged low compression units will add longevity to your engines life span in a FI application.

Agreed
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The stock pistons aren't forged? I would hope a stock LS7 running 8psi with reduced compression would hold up, otherwise I'm not very impressed with the LS7.
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The stock pistons aren't forged? I would hope a stock LS7 running 8psi with reduced compression would hold up, otherwise I'm not very impressed with the LS7.
not forged......im running 7.5 psi 660+rwhp.. 5000 miles no issues on 91 octane with a can of octane booster..seems an ok engine to me.

you want 700rwhp+.. you will need to open up that wallet and get some forged pistons , fuel system, clutch, tranny, tires, etc...
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Like I said bro, buy some forged pistons and enjoy!!!!
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660 rwhp sounds pretty good to me!

I understand the benefits of putting in a new rotating assembly with dished pistons, I'm just looking to avoid the expense of pulling the motor. I'm hoping I can pull the heads and take them to a shop and have the combustion chambers ported out to drop the compression, I'll talk to some shops and see if its possible.

It's sad that the stock pistons in my 91 Mustang are better than LS7 pistons, but Ill get over it.
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The stock heads have 70cc chambers, I doubt you will find any aftermarket heads with larger chambers. Besides that changing out the pistons for a set of forged low compression units will add longevity to your engines life span in a FI application.
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It's sad that the stock pistons in my 91 Mustang are better than LS7 pistons, but Ill get over it.
Yes the pistons in your Mustang are better but the motor isnt

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Originally Posted by SilverNotch7
I'm considering forced induction for a C6 Z06, one way to lower the compression is to switch out the rotating assembly and use lower compression pistons.

Are there any companies which sell aftermarket heads with larger combustion chambers to lower the compression? Or maybe a company which CNCs the combustion chamber of stock heads to lower the compression?

Thanks,
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there maybe companies that open up the chambers, or you can also order some thicker head gaskets from cometic, it will no doubt be a custom gasket..... if it was my car, (judging from my experience), i would pull the motor rebuild it, at least put forged dish pistons and resleeve the block with darton dry sleeves, among other misc. upgrades.... if you really want a solid setup rebuild it with forged rods (callies, manley, etc etc), give me a call if you have any questions, i have built and tuned a few of these......
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How much power are you looking to make from your build?
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I have a program that opens up the chambers to 72-74, but also requires new valves
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Originally Posted by RyneZ06
there maybe companies that open up the chambers, or you can also order some thicker head gaskets from cometic, it will no doubt be a custom gasket..... if it was my car, (judging from my experience), i would pull the motor rebuild it, at least put forged dish pistons and resleeve the block with darton dry sleeves, among other misc. upgrades.... if you really want a solid setup rebuild it with forged rods (callies, manley, etc etc), give me a call if you have any questions, i have built and tuned a few of these......
...been seing this in a few places re: re-sleeving the block. I have been running an LS7 block for some time...even had a rebuild on it, with no problems. How many guys have been blowing thru LS7 blocks? Not sure it the block is a real issue up to monster hp levels. Maybe applicable/maybe not...but kinda' of reminds me when everyone was advising guys to go wth new cranks when the LS1's first came out...years later, guys are running 8's and 9's on the stock cranks. I do agree on the pistons though.
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You see the public vendors doing the same thing here, Taylor @ Dallas expert in the field, Steve @ A&A expert in the field...

Opening up the combustion chambers is the wrong direction, and after you pay to CNC the factory heads, valve seat work, valves, and all the head work that is required the cost to install a forged more durable piston is the better direction, for your wallet an the reliability of the engine.
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Like Doug said...
first things first... What is your h.p. goal, and what is the intended use for the car?
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You see the public vendors doing the same thing here, Taylor @ Dallas expert in the field, Steve @ A&A expert in the field...

Opening up the combustion chambers is the wrong direction, and after you pay to CNC the factory heads, valve seat work, valves, and all the head work that is required the cost to install a forged more durable piston is the better direction, for your wallet an the reliability of the engine.

For what this guys wants, heads are a simple thing to do. Its just CR, thats it. He could drop it to 10.5ish~, take the edge off of it, and do it in his garage, and he can do pistons/rods later.
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Good points being made here but in my opinion, there is no reason to drop compression by a small amount for the cost incurred.

I don't care if you are able to hog the heads out enough to drop the compression down to 9.5:1. You still have a fragile piston doing the work. The piston is the weak link and static CR isn't going to matter with boost on top.

I would argue that neither of these are any safer combination given similar cylinder pressures and charge temps:

11.0:1CR with 700rwhp @ 8psi

OR

10.0:1CR with 700rwhp @ 10psi

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