EForce Feedback Wanted
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EForce Feedback Wanted
I have been looking at the EForce quite heavily and I am very interested in getting any feedback.
1.) Have you had any issues with the installation or opperation?
2.) How is the base tune? Overly rich, any hickups??
3.) Once you load the tune will you be locked out of the ECM or can changes be made to their base calibration?
1.) Have you had any issues with the installation or opperation?
2.) How is the base tune? Overly rich, any hickups??
3.) Once you load the tune will you be locked out of the ECM or can changes be made to their base calibration?
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I have been looking at the EForce quite heavily and I am very interested in getting any feedback.
1.) Have you had any issues with the installation or opperation?
2.) How is the base tune? Overly rich, any hickups??
3.) Once you load the tune will you be locked out of the ECM or can changes be made to their base calibration?
1.) Have you had any issues with the installation or opperation?
2.) How is the base tune? Overly rich, any hickups??
3.) Once you load the tune will you be locked out of the ECM or can changes be made to their base calibration?
Only on my LS2. I repeat ONLY for my LS2, the LS3 seems to be doing quite well.
1) The car dieseled. I had many, many issues of the tune before it was under control
2) Base tune is rich but safe. The first SCT tune made my ECM a brick for a week. It was recovered but it took time.
3) ECM is NOT locked. If you have EFILive or HP Tuners, you can tweak the tune.
Elmer
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Only on my LS2. I repeat ONLY for my LS2, the LS3 seems to be doing quite well.
1) The car dieseled. I had many, many issues of the tune before it was under control
2) Base tune is rich but safe. The first SCT tune made my ECM a brick for a week. It was recovered but it took time.
3) ECM is NOT locked. If you have EFILive or HP Tuners, you can tweak the tune.
Elmer
1) The car dieseled. I had many, many issues of the tune before it was under control
2) Base tune is rich but safe. The first SCT tune made my ECM a brick for a week. It was recovered but it took time.
3) ECM is NOT locked. If you have EFILive or HP Tuners, you can tweak the tune.
Elmer
I have purchased many FI kits and base tune ALWAYS needs work. However, if you have a base tune that already has the injector tables corrected, the atmospheric trims setup...... the rest should be quite easy. Spending a day or two testing and tuning is not that bad but I hate having to make modification from Summer to winter at different altitudes....
I forgot one thing how does it sound when you wind it up?
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Some good news some bad.
I have purchased many FI kits and base tune ALWAYS needs work. However, if you have a base tune that already has the injector tables corrected, the atmospheric trims setup...... the rest should be quite easy. Spending a day or two testing and tuning is not that bad but I hate having to make modification from Summer to winter at different altitudes....
I forgot one thing how does it sound when you wind it up?
I have purchased many FI kits and base tune ALWAYS needs work. However, if you have a base tune that already has the injector tables corrected, the atmospheric trims setup...... the rest should be quite easy. Spending a day or two testing and tuning is not that bad but I hate having to make modification from Summer to winter at different altitudes....
I forgot one thing how does it sound when you wind it up?
I plug my ears and close my eyes. The wife says it has a whinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnne at the sound barrier!
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Some good news some bad.
I have purchased many FI kits and base tune ALWAYS needs work. However, if you have a base tune that already has the injector tables corrected, the atmospheric trims setup...... the rest should be quite easy. Spending a day or two testing and tuning is not that bad but I hate having to make modification from Summer to winter at different altitudes....
I forgot one thing how does it sound when you wind it up?
I have purchased many FI kits and base tune ALWAYS needs work. However, if you have a base tune that already has the injector tables corrected, the atmospheric trims setup...... the rest should be quite easy. Spending a day or two testing and tuning is not that bad but I hate having to make modification from Summer to winter at different altitudes....
I forgot one thing how does it sound when you wind it up?
I had mine professionally installed by ECS and ZERO problems. They did not use the canned tune at all.. NADA! Doug said he could tune it better because he knows LSx motors and SC's so well. I've had ZERO issues except roasting a set of rear tires already.... Switched to 325 invo's and tracton is improved! It's a good system imo but it depends what you are looking for in power. There are less expensive systems that offer more performance but my 525 rwhp is enough for me...... Just wanted more power and that it does very well. Here's a short vid of mine to give you some idea of the sound. It's very quiet as you'll hear......
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I purchased and installed my Edelbrock 1591 kit for my LS3 last March when Edelbrock first released the E-Force for the C6 Vette. My car is a 2009 C6 MN6. The car was already mod'd (self installed) with a very mild LG Motorsports G6XE cam and a set of Kooks 1 7/8" headers. Prior to this purchase I've been directly involved (a group of three of us) in the installation and tuning of no less than five centri kits.
I am coming up on a year now since installing that supercharger. I have nothing but positive things to say about the Edelbrock supercharger and would not change my decision to go this route even though the centri would have been several thousand dollars less. Outstanding kit integration and engineering under the hood, no wires to cut, no hoses to splice, very quiet operation and completely unobstrusive until you want the power. I have had ZERO issues with this supercharger...NONE
I have subsequently installed an Edelbrock 1590 E-Force supercharger kit on a good friend's 2008 MN6 LS3 convertible. His car was 100% stock prior to the supercharger install. He gave up nothing with respect to his original street manners. His car maintains 100% of it's original driveability using the calibration that came with the Edelbrock kit.
My vote...Edelbrock
Here are links to the two install I put together...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-f...ll-for-me.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-f...k-e-force.html
Here is a quote from post #75 from the first link. It covers my driving impressions.
I am coming up on a year now since installing that supercharger. I have nothing but positive things to say about the Edelbrock supercharger and would not change my decision to go this route even though the centri would have been several thousand dollars less. Outstanding kit integration and engineering under the hood, no wires to cut, no hoses to splice, very quiet operation and completely unobstrusive until you want the power. I have had ZERO issues with this supercharger...NONE
I have subsequently installed an Edelbrock 1590 E-Force supercharger kit on a good friend's 2008 MN6 LS3 convertible. His car was 100% stock prior to the supercharger install. He gave up nothing with respect to his original street manners. His car maintains 100% of it's original driveability using the calibration that came with the Edelbrock kit.
My vote...Edelbrock
Here are links to the two install I put together...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-f...ll-for-me.html
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-f...k-e-force.html
Here is a quote from post #75 from the first link. It covers my driving impressions.
I've already told Dave (the owner) this but I'd like to share with everyone my impressions of how his car drives. As a reminder, the car is a 2008 Z51 MZ6 convertible and is 100% stock....except for the mouse nest I found under the hood. I took the car for a 60 mile circuit yesterday morning. The purpose was primarily to be confident the car is 100% ready for the owner. He lives 250 miles away and I wanted to give back a car with absolutely no chance of a "do-over". The ride included some in town driving, a bit of 55-65mph in traffic, one 100% throttle squirt up the on ramp onto the interstate and 15 miles on the interstate at 75mph followed by another short ride through town. Folks, I gotta say this is the stealthiest supercharged car I have ever driven! With the NPP's closed, this car gives away no hint of it's abilities. The car started as-stock on a cool 45 degree morning and settled into a stock like 650rpm idle. At idle, with the a/c off, radio off and NPP closed, you can faintly hear the rotors turning through the cowl from the driver's seat. You have to listen very closely to hear it though. Standing outside the car with the engine running and the hood closed it is very hard to hear the supercharger. Pop the hood and you can hear the twin rotors stirring the pot in the supercharger...a sound that is a bit hard to describe. Around town the car has loads of torque and only a very faint blower whine when you accelerate...at least until the NPP's open and then it's all bets off to hear the supercharger. The torque of the Edelbrock makes short-shifting this car a blast. Power comes on very linear and the blower sound to me is much like a large electric motor ramping up to speed. This car demonstrated 100% stock like drive-ability in town. The interstate on ramp....from 0 mph to the top of the ramp as I merged pushed me over 100mph. I had to slow down to merge! Car returned right at 25mpg at 75mph. Off the interstate and back into town and the car behaved 100% as stock. This is all with the Edelbrock hand held tuner calibration. 100% drive-ability. Dave has given up absolutely nothing with respect to stock manners and gained a boatload of power with the upgrade.
I am confident this is the type of upgrade Dave was looking for and that he will be satisfied with the results.
I took the car for a 60 mile circuit yesterday morning. The purpose was primarily to be confident the car is 100% ready for the owner. He lives 250 miles away and I wanted to give back a car with absolutely no chance of a "do-over". The ride included some in town driving, a bit of 55-65mph in traffic, one 100% throttle squirt up the on ramp onto the interstate and 15 miles on the interstate at 75mph followed by another short ride through town. Folks, I gotta say this is the stealthiest supercharged car I have ever driven! With the NPP's closed, this car gives away no hint of it's abilities. The car started as-stock on a cool 45 degree morning and settled into a stock like 650rpm idle. At idle, with the a/c off, radio off and NPP closed, you can faintly hear the rotors turning through the cowl from the driver's seat. You have to listen very closely to hear it though. Standing outside the car with the engine running and the hood closed it is very hard to hear the supercharger. Pop the hood and you can hear the twin rotors stirring the pot in the supercharger...a sound that is a bit hard to describe. Around town the car has loads of torque and only a very faint blower whine when you accelerate...at least until the NPP's open and then it's all bets off to hear the supercharger. The torque of the Edelbrock makes short-shifting this car a blast. Power comes on very linear and the blower sound to me is much like a large electric motor ramping up to speed. This car demonstrated 100% stock like drive-ability in town. The interstate on ramp....from 0 mph to the top of the ramp as I merged pushed me over 100mph. I had to slow down to merge! Car returned right at 25mpg at 75mph. Off the interstate and back into town and the car behaved 100% as stock. This is all with the Edelbrock hand held tuner calibration. 100% drive-ability. Dave has given up absolutely nothing with respect to stock manners and gained a boatload of power with the upgrade. I am confident this is the type of upgrade Dave was looking for and that he will be satisfied with the results.
Last edited by Motorhead-47; Jan 30, 2011 at 07:32 PM.
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since Motorhead-47 was talking about my car in the above post I wanted to chime in.
I can verify everything he said and I could not be more pleased with the car. It does everything and more that I wanted in more power but with the same hood, etc.
The feeling and grin I get at 2500 rpm when that baby kicks in has no words to describe.
I will never track or race the car so what it does in normal driving conditions was very important to me.
Motorhead more than delivered everything I wanted.
I can hear a little whine with the npp closed but open those flaps and the whine is mostly drowned out.
It is a great system for me, it looks awesome under the hood and so far as performed flawlessly.
I second the vote from Motorhead- Edelbrock e-force
I can verify everything he said and I could not be more pleased with the car. It does everything and more that I wanted in more power but with the same hood, etc.
The feeling and grin I get at 2500 rpm when that baby kicks in has no words to describe.
I will never track or race the car so what it does in normal driving conditions was very important to me.
Motorhead more than delivered everything I wanted.
I can hear a little whine with the npp closed but open those flaps and the whine is mostly drowned out.
It is a great system for me, it looks awesome under the hood and so far as performed flawlessly.
I second the vote from Motorhead- Edelbrock e-force
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I have been looking at the EForce quite heavily and I am very interested in getting any feedback.
1.) Have you had any issues with the installation or operation?
NONE
2.) How is the base tune? Overly rich, any hickups??
Conservative timing tables and slightly richer than what many consider optimal. Yes they leave "power on the table" but in the interest of maintaining your car's longevity.
3.) Once you load the tune will you be locked out of the ECM or can changes be made to their base calibration?
No, nothing in the Edelbrock handheld tuner program will inhibit you from making changes with HP Tuners, EFI Live, etc.
1.) Have you had any issues with the installation or operation?
NONE
2.) How is the base tune? Overly rich, any hickups??
Conservative timing tables and slightly richer than what many consider optimal. Yes they leave "power on the table" but in the interest of maintaining your car's longevity.
3.) Once you load the tune will you be locked out of the ECM or can changes be made to their base calibration?
No, nothing in the Edelbrock handheld tuner program will inhibit you from making changes with HP Tuners, EFI Live, etc.
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I like mine
1. No issues so far
2. My car ran fine with the canned tune laid down over top of my modfied tune. I have mild cam and headers. I've been making improvements to the tune since.
3. The blower is not that loud when you get on it and nearly silent otherwise. I have headers and NPP exhaust, so when you get into the throttle, it's kind of loud. The blower whine may be more noticable on a quieter car.
Overall I'm very happy with it. I ended up changing injectors as the duy cyle was pretty much maxed out on the 58's that came with the kit. One a completely stock car I think they would be fine. I've got some tuning issues to deal with now, as the injector flow rate tables on my 08 model car are limited to 63.5 lbs max. Newer cars (not sure which year) do not have this limit.
2. My car ran fine with the canned tune laid down over top of my modfied tune. I have mild cam and headers. I've been making improvements to the tune since.
3. The blower is not that loud when you get on it and nearly silent otherwise. I have headers and NPP exhaust, so when you get into the throttle, it's kind of loud. The blower whine may be more noticable on a quieter car.
Overall I'm very happy with it. I ended up changing injectors as the duy cyle was pretty much maxed out on the 58's that came with the kit. One a completely stock car I think they would be fine. I've got some tuning issues to deal with now, as the injector flow rate tables on my 08 model car are limited to 63.5 lbs max. Newer cars (not sure which year) do not have this limit.
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As you can see, the LS3 guys had smooth sailing. I would imagine the LS2 guys can jump on to the smooth sailing boat as the tune I have pretty much fixed the tuning issues. Edelbrock was very responsive to the issue and worked hard to get the issue corrected.
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1. No issues so far
2. My car ran fine with the canned tune laid down over top of my modfied tune. I have mild cam and headers. I've been making improvements to the tune since.
3. The blower is not that loud when you get on it and nearly silent otherwise. I have headers and NPP exhaust, so when you get into the throttle, it's kind of loud. The blower whine may be more noticable on a quieter car.
Overall I'm very happy with it. I ended up changing injectors as the duy cyle was pretty much maxed out on the 58's that came with the kit. One a completely stock car I think they would be fine. I've got some tuning issues to deal with now, as the injector flow rate tables on my 08 model car are limited to 63.5 lbs max. Newer cars (not sure which year) do not have this limit.
2. My car ran fine with the canned tune laid down over top of my modfied tune. I have mild cam and headers. I've been making improvements to the tune since.
3. The blower is not that loud when you get on it and nearly silent otherwise. I have headers and NPP exhaust, so when you get into the throttle, it's kind of loud. The blower whine may be more noticable on a quieter car.
Overall I'm very happy with it. I ended up changing injectors as the duy cyle was pretty much maxed out on the 58's that came with the kit. One a completely stock car I think they would be fine. I've got some tuning issues to deal with now, as the injector flow rate tables on my 08 model car are limited to 63.5 lbs max. Newer cars (not sure which year) do not have this limit.
I was wondering about those injectors. My first thought was to geta set of 1000cc/min or 95lb/hr injectors so I could run E85 as a race fuel. I will have to research this a bit harder.
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If you are going this route don't bother with the standard configuration...save yourself some money and buy the "competition supercharger kit"....no injectors, no pulley and no handheld tuner calibration.
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My LS2 runs great. It was one of the donor LS2 cars for Edelbrock. I have the stock tune with no issues. The supercharger is very quiet and 50 state legal.
The Car drives like stock until you drop the hammer.
FYI for California, ...etc.. folks:
The EO numbers were not shipped with the early kits, I should be getting an EO number in the mail soon.
The Car drives like stock until you drop the hammer.
FYI for California, ...etc.. folks:
The EO numbers were not shipped with the early kits, I should be getting an EO number in the mail soon.
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Yeah, that was my first thought but this way I can keep the CARB cert which is like gold for the East and West Coasts.
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My stock 2005 LS2 is also running like a tiger when the pedal drops. Very cool. I just wish I could figure out how to hook up the Autometer fuel pressure gauge. The normal hookup doesn't exist with the eForce.
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This gets you from -6AN o-ring to 1/8"NPT http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MRF-MP-3071/
This is what mine looked like before I converted to feed fuel to the rear of both rails.
