Thomas,

Seriously I think we have already beaten this to death. The transmission tuning and the engine cal tuning I did were spot on. No automatic transmission lasts forever, especially with 2x the designed power level. Some last longer than others.

Your car had zero shifting issues for the first year you had the blower combo.

There were several issues with the car that you described that sure did not help the longevity of the build , BAP, trans, continued racing with known shifting issues, etc.

You posted plenty of highway runs showing how "fast" the car was.

You brought 98% of your parts to us for install. You at no point asked me what parts I reccomended or bought them from me (minus fuel pressure and boost gauges).

We installed and tuned YOUR "PACKAGE".

You upgraded the belt drive system to an 8rib and did a FAST intake. We would have upgraded the fuel system or added meth injection before spending money on those.

In the end, you decided to supercharge your C6 and beat on it regularly. It lasted a year and blew up. It's not like it blew up in the first week.

I am not to blame here.

Just for the record, you have the only stock engine we have supercharged that has blown up...

Something to think about.

So now hopefully you have learned a few things and are seeking the advise of your builder. Wise move. Live, learn, and move on.

Best of luck in your current build.

 

Thanks for setting the record straight on this one!!

 

Great s/c choice. My only suggestion in general would wonder the logic of borrowing money to modify any car.

Heed the advice to be prepared at any time to replace modded part.

Just the nature of any mechanical modding game.

Make sure you have funds available at a moments notice if this could be a concern. You don't want to be without a car or have to borrow more money to fix one.

Have the cash laying around and a spouse who isn't going to freak out if you s/c motor takes a dump? Then GO For it. Modded cars can be more high maintaince than a mistress. And you don't want to get caught with your pants down.


Fwiw. down the road..... If I m not loving the C7 I think I would have the s/c edlebrock put On too. 550 flywheel kit only... No headers just an aftermarket radiator and hope for the best......

With additional funds set aside for a new motor and a plan of who to go to for a quick install.

Is your c6 your daily driver?

 

Couldnt be more true... I think my wife would be more understanding of a mistress then my obsession with fast cars and horespower as well..

**** gets expensive in a hurry, especially if you lack the skills to do the work yourself. Ive seen what shops charge for things as simple as header and cam installs and it amazes me that people are willing to pay it!

 

My Vette is not a DD, I only take it out on nice days. I can afford it but there are better ways to spend my hard earned money that is for sure. I am hoping to have it done in the next few weeks, so I will post pics when finished.....

 

Pictures + driving impressions required!

 

I believe you have made the right choice. Please keep my suggestions as just something to be aware of. Having a back up plan of action is always a good idea when modding.

When you chose who do to the installation? (unless your doing it yourself) always be clear with the installation/tuner before he begins what time frame you require for installation time and returning of the vehicle.

In the past I have always found that one of my greatest annoyances was the time the vehicle sat in some "tuner" shop waiting to be finished.

I have absolutely NO patience for that nonsense and let me be clear I am as understanding and patient as the next guy....

I believe a successful part of the modding process is to purchase/pay and recieve said service in a timely manner. If a tuner said they can do a job in 1 week. Then at the end of the week I want a completed project. I don't want to hear a month down the road the car is still in pieces..

I would expect a supercharger installation and a tune would be a two day job at most.

Maybe other guys can jump in...but if you drop the car off Monday morning it should be ready wednesday afternoon, maybe thursday...at the most...(unless they really hit some unforseen snag)

I've seen and heard cars sit at "tuners" for months! Thats nonsense so be clear up front what you want as far as a finished vehicle, a timeframe and a price.

Can't wait to hear how satisfied you are and your driving impressions. The Edlebrock kit is one of the best to chose...

 

I'll jump in on this subject....

I can install one solo in about 20 hrs on the floor in my home garage taking my time. I am a hobbyist. A professional with a helper should be able to knock at least 8hrs off of that time. On an otherwise stock car there is no reason to spend additional money on a custom tune. Use the calibration that is included on the handheld tuner in the box with the supercharger...5 minutes to upload.

FYI I very recently corrected two seriously screwed up E-Force calibrations done by so called installers who pitched the handheld and went out on their own claiming to know more than the guys who developed the kit. The installers convinced the owners of the cars they knew more than the Edelbrock engineers. In both cases there were serious driveability problems as a result of their "toons". In both cases the owners were told the Edelbrock tune was garbage, the installer did his thing, and both owners eventually contacted me via PM for help with a car that ran like crap. On a stock car...use the handheld...you paid for it!

Ok...off my soapbox now.

 

Sounds like a plan. I intend to use the Edelbrock tune. HoB is where I believe I am going to take it. Since they are ~400 miles away, I am going to have to have a plan. 8 hours just to get there. Then hotel.........fun.

 

I am living proof this guy knows what he's talking about. It sure works great for me.

 

i agree never enough power

 

Taylor, I did ask your opinion many times and at that point was not comfortable with Meth. As for 98% of the things not bought through you, that's not true:
- American racing headers through you
- DP cam, dual spring kit, titanium retainers, steel seats, viton valve seals, super 7 locks, all through you
- Autometer boost/vac and fp gauge through you, and dual pillar pod through you
- An A&A kit is an A&A kit whether I bought it directly from them or through you

I always asked your opinion about the mods I was thinking of doing, and you always answered with whether it would work or what else would be required. I didn't just show up with a thrown together kit I built at my house.

I think you tuned the car fine, and I think the transmission was tuned fine. The 6L80E does have issues when you start adding power, I'm not denying that one bit and I'm taking steps to beef it up this go round. Was it the problem for sure? I'm not so confident that I would bet my life on it.

Everyone says its all in the tune, yet mine still blew. For certain my BAP was set to ZERO (instead of wired together for 100%), I'm still convinced that at least played some part in this all. My transmission would sometimes bounce off the rev limiter in 3rd going into 4th. I told you about that, and you fixed it once but the problem came back. I told you again, but before you had time to fix it my engine blew up. I think it blew, at least in part, because I didn't have enough fuel pressure, and 8psi boost is too much when you're running lean. High RPMs from downshifting probably didn't help, but I had done the same thing many times in the past with no issue... its just that 2 or 3 days before this particular night, my car was at your shop getting its oil changed. Whether it got accidentally turned to zero on that day or not, I may never know. I do know that when I first got my car back from you a year ago after supercharging it, the BAP was set to full because you showed me.

To everyone else still reading this:
Luckily I found a shop owner a few hours away from me that actually cares and wants everyone's business. Stephen@ETMC went out of his way.. he came and got my car from my garage. I went to Taylor's shop after my engine blew (following business day), and I sat there for 2 hours. Other customers came and talked to him and left, while I sat there listening to their conversations and just sitting there. Then finally he got around to talking to me, except it was a 30 second conversation and ended with "Just email me what you're wanting to do." After I spent thousands of dollars with him, north of the $10k mark, he had the nerve to tell me that I should email him. I was AT his shop, in PERSON, ready to talk about my blown up engine. He was the only one that ever touched it.

And he wouldn't give me the time of day. He sent me a quote via email, said he was making me a deal. I checked around on pricing, he was more expensive than 2 other places. ETMC had the best customer service, willingness to take on my car, and had the best price. I'm glad someone out there still gives a **** at the little guy who needs help.

As you probably saw, here on the forum everyone sides with the builder - especially if they're a forum vendor/sponsor.

Anyway, my story and Taylor's are pretty much the same, I'm not saying he's lying about my engine blowing or that it was potentially the transmission. To me, it's important what happens after the engine blows, how the shop that did all the work treats you, and I got treated like a small fish in a big pond, a customer with no money to buy a new engine right then so I was shrugged off. I've already told Taylor all this in emails after the fact, so this post is nothing new to him.

 

I agree with you 100%, and I know it wasn't me that turned it off, and I know nobody else ever touched my car.

 

ECS has said to bring the Vette in first thing Monday morning and I can drive it home Tuesday evening so I'm bringing mine in April 4th.

 

That is totally not how it went down. You've made it clear that is how you felt and I am sorry that is how it was percieved. Please accept my appology for making you feel like I did not care. Anyone that has ever delt with me knows that I do care (except you apparently).

The only time I stop caring is when people don't listen or when they don't respect me. You came to the shop when I was in an extremely busy time - preparing to move shops (arrange lifts, move the dyno, move 12 cars, move all of our inventory, etc) AND the Texas Mile was coming up. I still gave you my advise, tow the car to the shop. And said we could give you better advise after pulling it apart.

You said you didn't have the money to fix. What else can I do?

I asked if you wanted to tow the car to the shop and you did not. I don't make house calls very often because I am very very busy building cars. I have made all sorts of house calls when people have been left stranded and I think I can fix it with out towing. You described oil under the car and engine parts on the ground. You needed to tow the car. Period.Going to your house would have been a waste of my time and yours.

I did spend CONSIDERABLE time talking with you on the phone. You just don't listen very well and you take a TON of time to deal with. That is probably largely because you just don't know much about cars. I'm glad that you are reading and learning more now.






If you want my honest opinion, you BROKE A CONNECTING ROD dude. Look at the damage. If the BAP was off and you were lean, you would 99.99999999% of the time, crack a piston and that's it. There is almost no way that you could throw at rod from being lean.

So just to clarify I do not think the BAP had much to do with your problem.

I do think that you are a very oblivious driver and that you probably out of your own neglect over revved the engine many many times and it finally could not take the abuse any more. Then a connecting rod failed and you grenaded the bottom end which put that nice window in the side of the block.




You mentioned that it shifted fine when we first did the install and tune. Then you said you brought it back and I adjusted the tune because it was not shifting going at a later date and that fixed it. Then it started doing it again but I did not fix it.

In this post you said that the car was flawless after we built it:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1575396815-post70.html

So it developed issues with the transmission and you continued to race it.

I can't fix a slipping transmission with tuning

I already explained this to you. Now here we are again talking about it.





Here is the picture that was posted by you and provided by Stephen I assume. Look at the pistons, the BOTTOM of the pistons where the connecting rod connects was pulled from the piston. That is not detonation. That is from the connecting rod breaking and slinging around like a weedeater. Look at the two broken connecting rods. You over revved the engine.

Honestly I never looked at your carnage pictures before because I already knew that you had moved on to another shop and I assumed that they would give you an honest unbiased opinion on what happened.

Not to mention you don't listen to me so what would be the point?




But hey bro, keep blaming me so that you can feel better.

 

Thanks Dave...you'd be amazed at the frequency of which I get unsolicited Private Mail from all over the nation on this Edelbrock supercharger. On any given week I have 2-3 guys asking questions and working on their own installs. Most don't want the drama this public forum brings so they get assistance behind the scenes.

FYI I'm starting to get the itch to do another install for someone....I just need a long weekend and a victim....oops...I mean volunteer.

ken

 

Speaking of drama...sure wish this "Simplepcp" clown would take his personal drama elsewhere...totally off topic for this thread.....

Simplepcp....

 

No that's exactly how it went down. The perception of being a little fish without a large budget is mine, but waiting 2 hours in your shop and being told to email you is not perception, it's totally how it went down. You did care when I had money, but so much after the engine blow though.


I respected you until I was there in person and was told to email you. When your lack of care became apparently, that's when it became a lack of respect for you. I understand things come up, it's not exactly like I planned for my engine to fail on a busy week for you.

Why would I want to tow the car to your shop when you were "making me a deal" yet were also the most expensive place out there? That doesn't make sense.

You are contradicting yourself Taylor, you said I never asked your opinion yet you're saying I took a lot of time on the phone? What were we talking about then, how the Cowboys were doing? It's true I take a lot of time because I want to make good choices, and it's true I relied on you for information because I don't know a whole lot and I don't do the work myself.

It's not all about blaming you Taylor. My original posts in this thread were to tell the OP that s/c a car can lead to blowing an engine. If you thought the transmission was slipping and it needed to be rebuilt, you never told me that piece. You knew that I trusted in you to guide me through everything and that I relied on you to keep my car running. You did a conservative tune, why wouldn't you say "stop driving it until we can rebuild the transmission"? You admit that I don't know a lot about cars, so if I'm a valuable customer why wouldn't you want to keep me on the road? If I was a valued customer, why wouldn't you give me 15 minutes in person to actually TELL me that we need to rebuild the transmission, tell me that we need to lower the compression ratio on the rebuild, and tell me w/e else might be valuable information to have. Instead you put it as simple as, email me what you want done. If you thought I took up too much of your time, and that I am not car savvy, you really should have told me before I spent my money with you having all the work done on my car.

I would've gladly taken my car to another shop from the very beginning, one that didn't secretly hate answering my emails and thought I took too much of their precious time. Customer service is a big part of having a shop, and always remember you've only been in business a couple of years. When you start treating customers badly, the word spreads.

 

Ken, I would love to have you put a 1590 in my car. You seem highly educated in the matter.
I have worked for the last 22 years in a car factory but sadly it does not make me a mechanic. If you only didn't live a thousand miles from me.........

 

This thread appears to have been hijacked to address a conflict that has been debated in several other threads and has deteriorated into hostility and personal attacks. My recommendation would be to review the site's rules and to take the pissin' match offline.

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/foru...hijacking.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/foru...-disputes.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/foru...rd-others.html