E98 - is it worth it?
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Nick, you need bad grammar, worse spelling, horrible taste in colors, and the burning need to tell everyone how rich and knowledgable you are.
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He is an opinionated know it all. If it isn't what he runs then its no good. Funny according to the oh mighty one there is no point in making not 1 more HP then him. So with that said lets bow to the new leader of the Vette world! HE HAS SPOKEN!
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I jumped on the E85 boat last summer and have absolutely NO regrets!! As far as fuel system goes in my car it's an RSI hat with three Deatschwerks 301 pumps, twin -8AN feeds to each rail, and a -8AN return from the regulator. Not the biggest fuel system by any means but it could probably see at least 1400whp with some ID2000's which is PLENTY for most. I didn't want to have a big external and have to hear it so that's why I went with drop ins.
As far as the fuel goes, we have E98 out of the pump here in Oklahoma City which is great!! I'm sure some will use it but I will more than likely stick with the E85 and the reason for that is I do not want to mess with the additive you have to add in your fuel for the E98. 98 holds a higher ethanol content sure but the main thing that people are looking past is the timing which is where you get your little bit of power gains. I'm not going to be one to tune my car on the ragged edge of E98 with my fingers crossed. Either way I'm sure you will be very pleased, and make darn sure you use fuel lines that will not get eaten up or cause the infamous black goo. That's just my .02
As far as the fuel goes, we have E98 out of the pump here in Oklahoma City which is great!! I'm sure some will use it but I will more than likely stick with the E85 and the reason for that is I do not want to mess with the additive you have to add in your fuel for the E98. 98 holds a higher ethanol content sure but the main thing that people are looking past is the timing which is where you get your little bit of power gains. I'm not going to be one to tune my car on the ragged edge of E98 with my fingers crossed. Either way I'm sure you will be very pleased, and make darn sure you use fuel lines that will not get eaten up or cause the infamous black goo. That's just my .02
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Fuel system questions;
our fuel system is very modular, it can very easily be upgraded with the same base parts if necessary, and when we rated them we intentionally under promised and over deliver to keep a substaintial "safe zone" to cover the wide range of builds it has been used in.
We have ran eight second cars with the same set up this car has with a boost referenced regulator without pressure loss, I think we should be fine here. If not we upgrade the pump, not a big deal.
Let me know what you want to do, I have the injectors in stock.
our fuel system is very modular, it can very easily be upgraded with the same base parts if necessary, and when we rated them we intentionally under promised and over deliver to keep a substaintial "safe zone" to cover the wide range of builds it has been used in.
We have ran eight second cars with the same set up this car has with a boost referenced regulator without pressure loss, I think we should be fine here. If not we upgrade the pump, not a big deal.
Let me know what you want to do, I have the injectors in stock.
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I jumped on the E85 boat last summer and have absolutely NO regrets!! As far as fuel system goes in my car it's an RSI hat with three Deatschwerks 301 pumps, twin -8AN feeds to each rail, and a -8AN return from the regulator. Not the biggest fuel system by any means but it could probably see at least 1400whp with some ID2000's which is PLENTY for most. I didn't want to have a big external and have to hear it so that's why I went with drop ins.
As far as the fuel goes, we have E98 out of the pump here in Oklahoma City which is great!! I'm sure some will use it but I will more than likely stick with the E85 and the reason for that is I do not want to mess with the additive you have to add in your fuel for the E98. 98 holds a higher ethanol content sure but the main thing that people are looking past is the timing which is where you get your little bit of power gains. I'm not going to be one to tune my car on the ragged edge of E98 with my fingers crossed. Either way I'm sure you will be very pleased, and make darn sure you use fuel lines that will not get eaten up or cause the infamous black goo. That's just my .02
As far as the fuel goes, we have E98 out of the pump here in Oklahoma City which is great!! I'm sure some will use it but I will more than likely stick with the E85 and the reason for that is I do not want to mess with the additive you have to add in your fuel for the E98. 98 holds a higher ethanol content sure but the main thing that people are looking past is the timing which is where you get your little bit of power gains. I'm not going to be one to tune my car on the ragged edge of E98 with my fingers crossed. Either way I'm sure you will be very pleased, and make darn sure you use fuel lines that will not get eaten up or cause the infamous black goo. That's just my .02
I believe this was the type of response he was looking for, thank you.
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8 mpg?!? Is it really going to be that bad with E98 ? Presently, I get about 20 mpg because some of the driving is 75 mph steady highway type stuff. The bad mileage occurs in spurts of 1/4 to 1/2 mile at a time. Assuming 20 on fossil fuels, what does that translate to on fuel made from Pop Secret?
My brother in law does that now with the above referenced Evo. It sure seems like a huge pain in the *** to be limited to gas from only your garage but so does tuning for race fuel.
What are my choices other than:
a. leaving it alone,
b. building a sick big $$$$, big horsepower motor and transmission,
c. camming the LS2 & splashing race fuel (or using Torco), or
d. doing something like e98
e. exercising some other option I have yet to consider?
My brother in law does that now with the above referenced Evo. It sure seems like a huge pain in the *** to be limited to gas from only your garage but so does tuning for race fuel.
What are my choices other than:
a. leaving it alone,
b. building a sick big $$$$, big horsepower motor and transmission,
c. camming the LS2 & splashing race fuel (or using Torco), or
d. doing something like e98
e. exercising some other option I have yet to consider?
If you're able to average 20mpg, then I'd probably just use the calculation that you need 40-50% more fuel for e98, so you'll get 40-50% worse gas mileage. So maybe ~10mpg?
If that ~180 mile range fits your driving and you won't get annoyed by the fuel drum being at your house vs. at the pump like the Oklahoma guy, then it's a good way to make lots of power.
I really thought about going E85 for a while. There is a pump within 8 miles of my house, but not always out on the roads I'm traveling for cruises and trips to 'mexico'. I decided it wasn't worth the extra cost of building an e85 capable fuel system and just installed a meth kit instead. I used torco in the past with success as well, but will probably stop using it with the Meth.
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I really thought about going E85 for a while. There is a pump within 8 miles of my house, but not always out on the roads I'm traveling for cruises and trips to 'mexico'. I decided it wasn't worth the extra cost of building an e85 capable fuel system and just installed a meth kit instead..
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Some will be really suprised at how well a car can idle on E85 with some ID 2000's. Taylor is one of the best in the business, and Carlos @ Quality Motorsports tuned my car when it was a bolt on car with spray on E85. Car chopped because it had a nice cam but driving around I saw at least 250 miles around the city depending on how I drove which wasn't nice most of the time. I never kept up with the cars mpg because it's not made to calibrate E85 so it throws it off. Actually driving home from Dallas to Oklahoma City at 2am after getting my car tuned, I filled up on E85 before leaving Dallas and got home on the NW side of Oklahoma City roughly 200 miles and had in between 1/4 and 1/2 tank of gas left. A good driveability tune will do wonders
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Don't think so.
Had no problem taking down bmw s1000 making 195 plus HP. Once again the oh mighty know it all trinic5 has spoken! He now predicts that my zr1 diff will break. Let me ask u....did u build ur car or did u pay someone? Or did u order an bunch of parts and assemble? I built my turbo setup. Wanna tell what I should have different while ur at it?
Had no problem taking down bmw s1000 making 195 plus HP. Once again the oh mighty know it all trinic5 has spoken! He now predicts that my zr1 diff will break. Let me ask u....did u build ur car or did u pay someone? Or did u order an bunch of parts and assemble? I built my turbo setup. Wanna tell what I should have different while ur at it?
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Some will be really suprised at how well a car can idle on E85 with some ID 2000's. Taylor is one of the best in the business, and Carlos @ Quality Motorsports tuned my car when it was a bolt on car with spray on E85. Car chopped because it had a nice cam but driving around I saw at least 250 miles around the city depending on how I drove which wasn't nice most of the time. I never kept up with the cars mpg because it's not made to calibrate E85 so it throws it off. Actually driving home from Dallas to Oklahoma City at 2am after getting my car tuned, I filled up on E85 before leaving Dallas and got home on the NW side of Oklahoma City roughly 200 miles and had in between 1/4 and 1/2 tank of gas left. A good driveability tune will do wonders
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Have you kept track of miles per tank with the blower? 250 miles N/A is pretty good, but I'm guessing it dropped with the blower. I'm actually curious though since I've never heard real world mileage results on E85 on a blown vette w/ pretty aggressive driving. I don't think I'd make it 250 miles on pump gas w/ the blower.
I don't have a motor in the car right now, I have a buddy that has the same exact fuel system with a YSI on a stock bottom end LS2. But he doesn't hardly drive his car so I wouldn't be able to say what kind of mileage he gets.
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Thanks...did a photoshoot last month that came out unbelievable. Would love to post but photos are going a magazine soon so I promised not to post. There is one pic that I think will absolutely blow you away! Dam....wish I could post. I do have some vids of me running against 1000hp 3 series bimmer.
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I jumped on the E85 boat last summer and have absolutely NO regrets!! As far as fuel system goes in my car it's an RSI hat with three Deatschwerks 301 pumps, twin -8AN feeds to each rail, and a -8AN return from the regulator. Not the biggest fuel system by any means but it could probably see at least 1400whp with some ID2000's which is PLENTY for most. I didn't want to have a big external and have to hear it so that's why I went with drop ins.
As far as the fuel goes, we have E98 out of the pump here in Oklahoma City which is great!! I'm sure some will use it but I will more than likely stick with the E85 and the reason for that is I do not want to mess with the additive you have to add in your fuel for the E98. 98 holds a higher ethanol content sure but the main thing that people are looking past is the timing which is where you get your little bit of power gains. I'm not going to be one to tune my car on the ragged edge of E98 with my fingers crossed. Either way I'm sure you will be very pleased, and make darn sure you use fuel lines that will not get eaten up or cause the infamous black goo. That's just my .02
As far as the fuel goes, we have E98 out of the pump here in Oklahoma City which is great!! I'm sure some will use it but I will more than likely stick with the E85 and the reason for that is I do not want to mess with the additive you have to add in your fuel for the E98. 98 holds a higher ethanol content sure but the main thing that people are looking past is the timing which is where you get your little bit of power gains. I'm not going to be one to tune my car on the ragged edge of E98 with my fingers crossed. Either way I'm sure you will be very pleased, and make darn sure you use fuel lines that will not get eaten up or cause the infamous black goo. That's just my .02
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Thanks...did a photoshoot last month that came out unbelievable. Would love to post but photos are going a magazine soon so I promised not to post. There is one pic that I think will absolutely blow you away! Dam....wish I could post. I do have some vids of me running against 1000hp 3 series bimmer.
That a 2 step?
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From: Dallas/Valley Ranch TEXAS!!!
Do it... Do it... Do it... When you need a 93 tune load one with your laptop and go on a trip... When you are out having fun load an E85 or 98 tune and let her rip. My little car that could has had an awesome track record, the Houston boys wish ethanol was never created!!!
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Do it... Do it... Do it... When you need a 93 tune load one with your laptop and go on a trip... When you are out having fun load an E85 or 98 tune and let her rip. My little car that could has had an awesome track record, the Houston boys wish ethanol was never created!!!
I want to have 2 tunes for my car as well but was afraid the lack of a 'flex fuel' sensor would make it obnoxiously tedious to make sure car was almost empty before filling back up with the other fuel.
