My brother in law recently converted his Evo (fully built ridiculous street car) from race gas (Q16) to E98. He went from 720 whpr to 765 whpr with no other real change than the fuel system and supporting mods and the tune.

Not only did he find power, the engine operating temps dropped 40 - 50 degrees, now operating temp is something like 125 degrees. More horsepower and lower operating temps sounds good to me.

Is this worth doing on my car? It is already a 720 whpr street car on pump gas due to some ECS magic: Paxton 1500, Meth, headers, full exhaust, stage 1 fuel system, etc etc.

I know that no one sells E98 at the pump in the area but I will just have VP Fuels deliver drums of fuel to the house. My car is strictly a weekend toy but I am bored with 720 whpr and want more but just can't convince the wife that a big $$$$ engine/trans build making north of 1000 whpr is a smart move.

 

A little advice, more power is just to say you make more power, those including myself with more power will loose against anyone with less power from a stop light or street drag race.
Big power is just for bragging and although you are asking for more power, you know its only because the guys around you brag about their power.
I was making 860 rwhp and turned it down to 812rwhp but still need to turn it down more because the tires are not hooking on first gear and second gear, it still spin sometimes on third gear so a car with less power will hook and go while we are spinning trying to put down our big power.
I have tried MT 345 35 18, BFG 345 35 18, and now the Nitto 345 35 19 but they all did the same thing. I still have all 3 sets of tires and try them on my car occassionally but its a waste.
The big question is, are you looking to enjoy the car or make power for bragging rights?

 

Thanks for the insight but I am not doing this for the stop light grand prix and I could care less what the dyno tells me. If I was buidling a dyno queen, I would have had Doug and Chris make a huge number and then put the original pulley back on the car, remove the meth, reinstall the restrictor plate and tune it to 550 hpr. I am interested in how I can improve my present set up, possibly find more power and/or reliability, and how much quicker I can propel my car down the road without spending HUGE money. The Wife will not approve the budget for a huge engine build (and I can't say that I blame her), she'd sooner have me sell my car and use the sales proceeds and engine budget towards a ZR1.

I am hoping that someone in the know will answer the questions above and below.

BTW - Traction for me is not the issue - sticky tires and the ability to slightly lift the right foot helps from time time to time. To me, it sounds like you have a whole garage full of sticky tires but might have forgotten the other half of the driving equation.

Looking for answers from anyone that has changed over. What Benefits, What Drawbacks, What Power increase (if any), etc. Thanks in advance.

 

I'm going to chime in to get the thread started, so hopefully other shops and vendors with experience will also.

IMO, you're the only person who can justify if it is "worth it" or not. I've never met a person who switched to E85 and wasn't impressed with the results. I don't think you will *need* E98 when compared to E85, but since you will have to order it anyway, you really have a choice if price isn't too much of a factor. You will need tuning changes and it will make a huge difference if the tuner has E85 tuning experience. E98 will take roughly 50% more fuel volume to support the same power you have on pump gas, so you will have to have a monster fuel system. E85 will take between 30-40% more fuel volume.
HTH...

 

Thanks for the reply - you gave me some of the information I sought - you're right, that is going to me a ***** of a fuel system.

My "worth it" inquiry is not meant to be analyzed from a cost basis (if cost was ever the issue, none of us would have spent money to modify a depreciating asset) but rather a benefits analysis. On the LS2 with a blower, will the benefits be present - hpr increase (how much should be expected), what additional benefits are to be had from the lower operating temps, can I expect increased engine longevity, etc?

Anyone else have some real world information that can push me in one direction or another?

 

Call Taylor at Dallas Performance 214-349-1300, he is the best in the business at most things, E fuel being one of them.

 

Your definitely going to gain, you will have better engine safety with it over pump and meth too, (even though that's good, but better is better) and you have the fuel system in place to handle the fuel flow necessary. At worst you might have to add a boost referenced regular, but I think you would be ok as it is.
The "I cant handle 800rwhp, so you cant" is something I know you do not need to entertain, this is no dyno queen in the making.
This ultimately needs to be answered by you though, this will substantially limit the use of the car, are you willing to do that?

 

Doug your sense of humor is really entertaining since what I said seem to be funny to you.
Your guy build a 1000rwhp+ car and went to the track with you or him was driving it and went as slow as a car with 700rwhp with a stick, so tell me, is it a dyno queen or a car with usefull power.
I think you had to loan him a complete non streetable setup to get the car to put the power to the ground. lol

 

Could you inform us as to how your Stage 1 fuel system, that supports UNDER 800rw (according to your website), is going to handle 800+rw using E98 when it requires 40-50% more fuel volume?

 

Could you inform us as to how your Stage 1 fuel system, that supports UNDER 800rw (according to your website), is going to handle 800+rw using E98 when it requires 40-50% more fuel volume? Why ask a logical question?He wants 800+hp,ECS will be more than happy to get him a new motor when she blows

 

oh come on! who doesnt like to make big power? isnt this all for fun anyway?
i could give two ***** about winning a street race but since u got me
going here....betcha you would be wishing u had cranked ur boost when i go blowing by u, smoking my 20's, at 160! oh thats right my pos spec clutch would break my driveline.

later

 

Nick you have a dream just like so many who had made those challenges before and ended up right where they belong, watching my rear go bye.
Power is not performance and too much power is not always good, but poor hopes, keep bragging about your big HP dyno queen because that is all its good for.



Take a good look at it because you will have night mare dreaming about it

 

You and the other fanboy should not be such tools - the system in the car was designed to support at least 800 hpr without being maxed out. *I am pretty sure I just need to upsize my lines and injectors. *But don't worry, if I need a bigger pump too, I'm sure Doug has that covered. *

Instead of interfering with my desire to get information from other car owners that have been there before me, why don't you just sign off the forum and return to your Eckler's catalog. You aren't offering anything to any of us other than noise.

 

Its funny, you asked a question and hate the answers, what you wanted to hear was what they told you and everything else is useless. Funny how you guys come on a public forum and asked question but expected only your tuner to answer what you want to hear.
You lived in Freehold NJ which is a drive to your question, we have 3 cars running E85 and can answer almost every question concerning that but wish not to respond because we knew what to expect.

 

I am very seriously considering this upgrade. * Phil swears by it in his Evo and that thing is a friggen beast. *Horsepower and safer at the same time seems like a win win. *

In the past 5 years, the furthest I have driven the car is to AC and/or to V-17 or NJMP for some karting. *I think the prospect of long distance driving in the car is not reality, especially because it is the summer weekend toy. *The drawback of unavailable fuel is not a real drawback. *VP can deliver it to me and I'll pump my own. * *I'll just top off before each trip from the house. *

We need a bigger "gun" for knife fights and I don't feel like begging for permission to build a 1000+ hpr motor. *That will only result in the purchase of some really expensive jewelry to level the playing field. * If E98 and a cam gets us there, so be it. *I only hammer it now when it makes sense to do so because the novelty of pinning people to the seat has worn off (ok, not really but it's not as hysterically funny *as it once was). *

 

I would greatly appreciate complete, coherent thoughts and sentences. I am not so sure that your response, as above, is truly comprehensible.

If I wanted Doug's opinion and only his opinion, I would have called Chris directly. After all, we all know that it is really that hair tinted Twinkie that handles the phone calls and other big decisions (like lunch orders). I was looking for others with real world experience to provide input. You know, the guys that have been there, done that and live with the decision to find fuel elsewhere.

What does your sentence regarding Freehold mean? I tried deciphering it sober and failed. After shrooms, LSD, booze, weed, pills, and huffing glue, I'm still confused.

Which are the three cars running e85 and who is the "we" to whom you refer? If they posted, where did they announce they ran e85 and whether or not they found the benefits and why?

If "we" can answer every question and you are part of the we, where are your answers? Your big reply was to tell me that the "Great Pumpkin" makes 812 hpr, detuned from 8xx, and you keep choking on its seeds. *Because you can't handle your wide bodied, drag radial car, you mistakenly presumed that I can't handle my narrow bodied, smaller tired car and I was looking to build a trailer/dyno queen. If you have the information and care to share it, I am willing to listen and consider it. If you just want to tell me I already have too much car and don't need more, thanks for stopping by and take care.

 

Assume you top off with 18 gallons and you get 8mpg average, you'd have a range of 144 miles. I don't know what your actual mpg on e98 would be, but it's probably not going to be good, especially if you drive it like you plan to. Just keep that in mind when you decide to switch to a fuel that you need to pump out of your garage only.

 

The nightmares start and end with the color choice. Was that custom tinted or is that Crayola's "orange - red"?

Care to share the information you alluded to possess or do you just want to interfere?

 

8 mpg?!? Is it really going to be that bad with E98 ? Presently, I get about 20 mpg because some of the driving is 75 mph steady highway type stuff. The bad mileage occurs in spurts of 1/4 to 1/2 mile at a time. Assuming 20 on fossil fuels, what does that translate to on fuel made from Pop Secret?

My brother in law does that now with the above referenced Evo. It sure seems like a huge pain in the *** to be limited to gas from only your garage but so does tuning for race fuel.
What are my choices other than:
a. leaving it alone,
b. building a sick big $$$$, big horsepower motor and transmission,
c. camming the LS2 & splashing race fuel (or using Torco), or
d. doing something like e98
e. exercising some other option I have yet to consider?

 

Don't think so.
Had no problem taking down bmw s1000 making 195 plus HP. Once again the oh mighty know it all trinic5 has spoken! He now predicts that my zr1 diff will break. Let me ask u....did u build ur car or did u pay someone? Or did u order an bunch of parts and assemble? I built my turbo setup. Wanna tell what I should have different while ur at it?