Short throw shifter
Instructor
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Originally Posted by Walt White Coupe
If you let the spring load do it's job and push straight forward from 2nd and not to the right it will go into 3rd every time. If you push any shifter to the right it will jam.
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From: NC
Originally Posted by cmb13
Anyone else have any comments on the aftermarket shifters, including the Z06 shifter?
1. The B&M is MUCH stiffer than the stock unit, so much so that I found the car tiring to drive around town. This is my main complaint with the B&M.
2. Increased noise and vibration with the B&M. This is particularly true if you use the B&M hard bushings (B&M mentions this in the installation instructions) less so with the stock rubber bushings. Even with the stock rubber bushings, the B&M is noisier than the stock unit.
A lot of folks like the B&M and it has plusses (much shorter and much more precise shift throws, particularly the 4th to 5th change) so do a search. There have been volumes written on the shifter subject. Also, consider a transmission fluid change, I changed to Royal Purple Synchromax, and this really smoothed out the shifting.
Jimmy
Melting Slicks
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From: Northern CA
Originally Posted by jimmyb
I put a B&M in my C6 and drove about 4000 miles with it. I have since gone back to the stock shifter for the following reasons:
1. The B&M is MUCH stiffer than the stock unit, so much so that I found the car tiring to drive around town. This is my main complaint with the B&M.
2. Increased noise and vibration with the B&M. This is particularly true if you use the B&M hard bushings (B&M mentions this in the installation instructions) less so with the stock rubber bushings. Even with the stock rubber bushings, the B&M is noisier than the stock unit.
Jimmy
1. The B&M is MUCH stiffer than the stock unit, so much so that I found the car tiring to drive around town. This is my main complaint with the B&M.
2. Increased noise and vibration with the B&M. This is particularly true if you use the B&M hard bushings (B&M mentions this in the installation instructions) less so with the stock rubber bushings. Even with the stock rubber bushings, the B&M is noisier than the stock unit.
Jimmy
About how long does it take to install a B&M?
Is this C5 mod a fair aproximation of what it takes to put one in a C6?
This may be totaly unrelated, but when I put a short throw shofter in my C4, the mechanism was real stiff. That was because the aftermarket kit (Hurst)was poorly made and needed some reworking to get rid of an interferance fit on what should have been a sliding fit. Once I fixed it it wasn't much stiffer than stock.
Last edited by xs650; Jan 2, 2006 at 12:32 AM.
Racer
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From: Orange County CA
Originally Posted by jimmyb
I put a B&M in my C6 and drove about 4000 miles with it. I have since gone back to the stock shifter for the following reasons:
1. The B&M is MUCH stiffer than the stock unit, so much so that I found the car tiring to drive around town. This is my main complaint with the B&M.
2. Increased noise and vibration with the B&M. This is particularly true if you use the B&M hard bushings (B&M mentions this in the installation instructions) less so with the stock rubber bushings. Even with the stock rubber bushings, the B&M is noisier than the stock unit.
A lot of folks like the B&M and it has plusses (much shorter and much more precise shift throws, particularly the 4th to 5th change) so do a search. There have been volumes written on the shifter subject. Also, consider a transmission fluid change, I changed to Royal Purple Synchromax, and this really smoothed out the shifting.
Jimmy
1. The B&M is MUCH stiffer than the stock unit, so much so that I found the car tiring to drive around town. This is my main complaint with the B&M.
2. Increased noise and vibration with the B&M. This is particularly true if you use the B&M hard bushings (B&M mentions this in the installation instructions) less so with the stock rubber bushings. Even with the stock rubber bushings, the B&M is noisier than the stock unit.
A lot of folks like the B&M and it has plusses (much shorter and much more precise shift throws, particularly the 4th to 5th change) so do a search. There have been volumes written on the shifter subject. Also, consider a transmission fluid change, I changed to Royal Purple Synchromax, and this really smoothed out the shifting.
Jimmy
100% .... I've got about 3 mos on the B&M 45044 now and the short throws are nice but not worth the extra shift effort, noise and vibration. I can even feel the syncros doing their job spinning down/up the clutch disc. I switched to RP Syncromax last week and it made a big difference, but not enough to make me stay with the B&M.
Also, to the above poster, I bought the Z06 shifter after reading the "35% shorter throw than the stock" comments on this forum, but it turns out to be an identical shifter except that the lower shift housing doesn't use the rubber bushings to mount to the torque tube housing, it's a rigid mount like the B&M bushings.
Melting Slicks
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From: Northern CA
Originally Posted by Lowlead
100% .... Also, to the above poster, I bought the Z06 shifter after reading the "35% shorter throw than the stock" comments on this forum, but it turns out to be an identical shifter except that the lower shift housing doesn't use the rubber bushings to mount to the torque tube housing, it's a rigid mount like the B&M bushings.
Melting Slicks
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From: Northcentral, Pennsylvania
St. Jude Donor '09-'11
Originally Posted by Lowlead
I bought the Z06 shifter after reading the "35% shorter throw than the stock" comments on this forum, but it turns out to be an identical shifter except that the lower shift housing doesn't use the rubber bushings to mount to the torque tube housing, it's a rigid mount like the B&M bushings.
Melting Slicks
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From: Northern CA
Originally Posted by Wass
See the picture below for the reason GM isn't using rubber bushings. After 6 or 7 thousand miles, mine were destroyed. I didn't realize this until the OEM shifter was removed to install a B&M shifter on my 2005 C6.
Is there anything you don't like about the B&M?
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Racer
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From: Stamford Connecticut
Originally Posted by gtfxhunter
anyone know the comparison of the new z06 shifter available on the market to the Hurst or B&M???
I replaced my 2005 C6 shifter with B&M and couldn't be more pleased with the improvement.
Even got to use the stock shift **** without modification. After installation, you cannot tell the difference looks-wise but performance is a whole other matter.
Melting Slicks
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From: Northcentral, Pennsylvania
St. Jude Donor '09-'11
Originally Posted by xs650
What is your impression of the difference in shifting force and noise volume and noise quality (pretty machinery sounds or just ugly noise) with the B&M.
Is there anything you don't like about the B&M?
Is there anything you don't like about the B&M?
Noise volume: Slightly more noise, but I don't have a problem with it. Hard to describe. Seems like you can hear the transmission a little more. I don't get any vibration noise from my shifter. Unlike some who have written about this in other threads.
The only thing I don't like is the harder pull/push required in mid to high rpms. I guess it's a trade-off for a more precise shifter. The stock shifter seemed a little sloppy, so I prefer the B&M.
Last edited by Wass; Jan 2, 2006 at 10:44 AM.
Racer
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From: Orange County CA
Originally Posted by xs650
Did you measure how far both shifter levers stick out below the pivot point in the bearing?
Racer
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From: Orange County CA
Originally Posted by Wass
See the picture below for the reason GM isn't using rubber bushings. After 6 or 7 thousand miles, mine were destroyed. I didn't realize this until the OEM shifter was removed to install a B&M shifter on my 2005 C6.
I have access to a CNC machining center at work and will probably try making some new bushings out of UHMW or delrin or ??? Hopefully to keep the shifter firm but not as noisey as the solid aluminum ones.
Racer
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From: Gilbert Arizona
Originally Posted by BuffCat
Coming from a 330CI the stock C6 shifter seems like a short throw. Do aftermarket shifters really provide noticably shorter throws?
