C6 vs. Cobra vs lightning vs Sti
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From: Arlington, VA
Originally Posted by WeatherGuy
Anyone remember the video of the K-car that ran 9s that was on the Internet about a year or two ago? Who would have expected that? But who would want that?
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From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by serendipity
You keep assuming equal drivers.
1) The original question wasn't about equal drivers. It was about "possible to lose" to a "lesser" car.
2) Most people on this forum can't drive for crap.
3) It's just plain easier to have a great run in an STi than in a Vette.
I'll bet my first runs in my C6 (as soon as our tracks open here
) will be worse than my first runs in my STi.
1) The original question wasn't about equal drivers. It was about "possible to lose" to a "lesser" car.
2) Most people on this forum can't drive for crap.
3) It's just plain easier to have a great run in an STi than in a Vette.
I'll bet my first runs in my C6 (as soon as our tracks open here
) will be worse than my first runs in my STi.2) So you're saying that as a group, people on Lightening or WRX forums are better drivers than the group on the Corvette forum?
3) I don't understand your point there at all.
Yes, the Corvette may be harder to launch from a standstill, but in my experience, most street races don't happen from a standstill. Why do you assume that all races are from a dead stop?
Racer
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From: Silver Spring Maryland
Originally Posted by jschindler
1) Yes, you have to assume equal drivers when comparing cars. It's possible to lose to a Cobalt if you get sideways and hit a wall - what's the point?
2) So you're saying that as a group, people on Lightening or WRX forums are better drivers than the group on the Corvette forum?
3) I don't understand your point there at all.
Yes, the Corvette may be harder to launch from a standstill, but in my experience, most street races don't happen from a standstill. Why do you assume that all races are from a dead stop?
2) So you're saying that as a group, people on Lightening or WRX forums are better drivers than the group on the Corvette forum?
3) I don't understand your point there at all.
Yes, the Corvette may be harder to launch from a standstill, but in my experience, most street races don't happen from a standstill. Why do you assume that all races are from a dead stop?
The original post was a guy shocked to hear STi owners claiming to have beaten Corvettes. Of course it's more than possible for a guy in a C6 to lose - driver skill makes up for a lot.
Yes, the "drag racing" crowd on this forum is filled with 500 people who run 13.5s in their C6s, and a handful of people who seem to have some skill. The tech/power bragging forums on the Subaru forums have a lot more skilled drivers. Not a slam on members - people enjoy their cars in different ways. Just an observation.
And finally, having a car where you don't need to worry about traction helps in more than just the launch. My STi never busted sideways on a second or third gear shift, either.
Also, the shift action in an STi is substantially better than in the C6 in my opinion - it's easier to grab the gear you want without overthinking it. Just my observations...
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From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by serendipity
Are you just trying to argue for the sake of arguing?
The original post was a guy shocked to hear STi owners claiming to have beaten Corvettes. Of course it's more than possible for a guy in a C6 to lose - driver skill makes up for a lot.
Yes, the "drag racing" crowd on this forum is filled with 500 people who run 13.5s in their C6s, and a handful of people who seem to have some skill. The tech/power bragging forums on the Subaru forums have a lot more skilled drivers. Not a slam on members - people enjoy their cars in different ways. Just an observation.
And finally, having a car where you don't need to worry about traction helps in more than just the launch. My STi never busted sideways on a second or third gear shift, either. Also, the shift action in an STi is substantially better than in the C6 in my opinion - it's easier to grab the gear you want without overthinking it.
Just my observations...
The original post was a guy shocked to hear STi owners claiming to have beaten Corvettes. Of course it's more than possible for a guy in a C6 to lose - driver skill makes up for a lot.
Yes, the "drag racing" crowd on this forum is filled with 500 people who run 13.5s in their C6s, and a handful of people who seem to have some skill. The tech/power bragging forums on the Subaru forums have a lot more skilled drivers. Not a slam on members - people enjoy their cars in different ways. Just an observation.
And finally, having a car where you don't need to worry about traction helps in more than just the launch. My STi never busted sideways on a second or third gear shift, either.
Also, the shift action in an STi is substantially better than in the C6 in my opinion - it's easier to grab the gear you want without overthinking it. Just my observations...
I agree with your comments about the STI. Please understand that I have nothing against the car or it's owners. I just get tired of hearing about how in a very narrowly defined "contest" someone outran a Corvette. I don't pretend that this is just an issue with the Corvette either. The Ferrari, Ford GT etc forums probably get just as tired of hearing Corvette owners brag about how they can "spank" one of their cars, as well.
Melting Slicks
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From: Orwigsburg Pa.
I have said this numerous times already. I have a pure stock a4/3.15 and I have run my brother's pure stock STi. He always jumps in the lead by several cars and I always reel him in and dispose of him. From a roll I manually hold the gear I need or he would really destroy me while waiting for a downshift. And i'm sure a mn6 would fare much better from the roll. If any encounter is brief, like stoplight to stoplight, do not underestimate the STi. If one has the luxery of a quarter mile or more even the worst c6 driver [assuming mn6] will catch, pass, and run from the STi. But if you think ''just by showing up'' in a c6 or easing out, granny shifting,short shifting, will put the STi away---I will guarentee you---it will not---they are fantastic cars that are geared to explode and provide the traction to do so---unlike our run craps.
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From: Prepare yourself, for a pride obliterating bich smack. Fairfax, VA
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08
SEC > BCS 4 St. Judes '09
i have respect for all the cars listed, for the purposes for which they were intended. though, to this day, i remain foggy on the purpose of a truck that cant go off road, or otherwise perform like a regular truck.
but straight-line performance is about 1/100th of the reason i bought a 400hp C6. i will list a few:
1) every STi with a fart can in my city is routinely pulled over and harrassed by the local LEOs, while most cops wave at me and gawk at my C6. the "fast and the furious" stigma associated with the STis and EVOs is unfortunate for such great performing little cars, but a complete deal breaker for me.
2) for a while, the high performing STi package didnt even come with a radio. my C6 comes with a 6 disc changer, heated seats, power everything, removable roof, HUD, ect...
3) i dont care for AWD. sure its great in inclement weather, but nothing beats the true sports car feeling of RWD. particularly one mated to a nice torquey V8.
4) looks. nuff said there.
5) biches of all ages, creeds, and colors LOVE my C6.
but straight-line performance is about 1/100th of the reason i bought a 400hp C6. i will list a few:
1) every STi with a fart can in my city is routinely pulled over and harrassed by the local LEOs, while most cops wave at me and gawk at my C6. the "fast and the furious" stigma associated with the STis and EVOs is unfortunate for such great performing little cars, but a complete deal breaker for me.
2) for a while, the high performing STi package didnt even come with a radio. my C6 comes with a 6 disc changer, heated seats, power everything, removable roof, HUD, ect...
3) i dont care for AWD. sure its great in inclement weather, but nothing beats the true sports car feeling of RWD. particularly one mated to a nice torquey V8.
4) looks. nuff said there.
5) biches of all ages, creeds, and colors LOVE my C6.
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Drifting
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From: Catonsville MD
Originally Posted by Mayonayze
i have respect for all the cars listed, for the purposes for which they were intended. though, to this day, i remain foggy on the purpose of a truck that cant go off road, or otherwise perform like a regular truck.
5) biches of all ages, creeds, and colors LOVE my C6.
5) biches of all ages, creeds, and colors LOVE my C6.
As for the second part....doesn't really matter if I'm in the lightning or the Vette.
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From: Prepare yourself, for a pride obliterating bich smack. Fairfax, VA
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08
SEC > BCS 4 St. Judes '09
Originally Posted by Waveblaster785
As for the first part. It's because there is something satisfying about showing a middle aged pony tail, M-frame wearing mullet driver in a corvette your truck's tail lights. And yes, my lightning was a BLAST, by far the most fun vehicle I've ever owned. The torque once modified is just silly, and the fun factor as I blew by mustang gts, with my trailer and jet ski attached, was awesome.
As for the second part....doesn't really matter if I'm in the lightning or the Vette.
As for the second part....doesn't really matter if I'm in the lightning or the Vette.
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From: Prepare yourself, for a pride obliterating bich smack. Fairfax, VA
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08
SEC > BCS 4 St. Judes '09
Originally Posted by jschindler
Oh, man! Just when it was getting interesting, you guys are gonna get this thread locked down
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Originally Posted by SHOOTER 49
I have said this numerous times already. I have a pure stock a4/3.15 and I have run my brother's pure stock STi. He always jumps in the lead by several cars and I always reel him in and dispose of him. From a roll I manually hold the gear I need or he would really destroy me while waiting for a downshift. And i'm sure a mn6 would fare much better from the roll. If any encounter is brief, like stoplight to stoplight, do not underestimate the STi. If one has the luxery of a quarter mile or more even the worst c6 driver [assuming mn6] will catch, pass, and run from the STi. But if you think ''just by showing up'' in a c6 or easing out, granny shifting,short shifting, will put the STi away---I will guarentee you---it will not---they are fantastic cars that are geared to explode and provide the traction to do so---unlike our run craps.
Drifting
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From: Catonsville MD
Originally Posted by Mayonayze
so really, this thread is just an opportunity for you $hit on vette drivers with inaccurate portrayals of thier hair styles? mission accomplished! nice work! cant wait to read what other kinds of insightful and intelligent things you have to add to this forum
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From: Prepare yourself, for a pride obliterating bich smack. Fairfax, VA
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08
SEC > BCS 4 St. Judes '09
Originally Posted by Waveblaster785
Why is it so offensive, do you have long gray hair and a mullet?
Burning Brakes
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From: Miami FL
You know what I love. Every time a sporty car comes to the car market and has potential they always have to compare it to the best and thats the corvette. I know all those sti's and evo's are awesome and everything but I don't consider them sports cars they have four doors for god sakes. And as for the Lightning yeah they got alot of torque because they are trucks and they have to carry load not race corvettes
Ford Lightning
Power 380 hp @ 4750 rpm
Torque 450 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm
Ford Lightning
Power 380 hp @ 4750 rpm
Torque 450 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm
Drifting
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From: Catonsville MD
Originally Posted by STPH8N
You know what I love. Every time a sporty car comes to the car market and has potential they always have to compare it to the best and thats the corvette. I know all those sti's and evo's are awesome and everything but I don't consider them sports cars they have four doors for god sakes. And as for the Lightning yeah they got alot of torque because they are trucks and they have to carry load not race corvettes
Ford Lightning
Power 380 hp @ 4750 rpm
Torque 450 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm
Ford Lightning
Power 380 hp @ 4750 rpm
Torque 450 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm
Fact is YES IT'S A TRUCK. But at 5100lbs(mine with me in it and stereo, usually about 4600lbs without driver), and only 450-500rwhp it was going 12.3 on goodyear F1's. Only a few vettes around here are doing that. I saw a thread about the guy's 450hp H/C car that went 12.4 on street tire, and I've seen a TON of 13 second timeslips from C6 owners. So as I said, the lightning is a formidable opponent. But you keep thinking you can't get beat by one and I'll look for pictures of your car in the NLOC kill section.
Melting Slicks
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From: Ridgeland MS
St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11
Originally Posted by STPH8N
You know what I love. Every time a sporty car comes to the car market and has potential they always have to compare it to the best and thats the corvette. I know all those sti's and evo's are awesome and everything but I don't consider them sports cars they have four doors for god sakes. And as for the Lightning yeah they got alot of torque because they are trucks and they have to carry load not race corvettes
Ford Lightning
Power 380 hp @ 4750 rpm
Torque 450 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm
Ford Lightning
Power 380 hp @ 4750 rpm
Torque 450 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm
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From: Georgetown Texas
I had a 99 and a 03 Lightning and IMHO they are the best value in a hot rod vehicle. I was one of a few dumb buts that road coursed my Lightnings. My 03 had many dollars worth of handling mods and a big brake kit. I loved to leave my trailer hitch in the receiver so guys at the track could see it when I passed them. I traded the L in for a Z51 C6 and I love it. At the track it cost a lot less to go fast in the vette than in the Lightning. As much as I love the C6 if I was not going to do track events I would rather have the truck as a every day driver! My 03 had 435/505 at the rear wheels and it cost very little to get there and it was a blast to drive.
Jerry
Jerry