Things I have learned so far in life:

1) Don't eat yellow snow.

2) There is always a guy who is tougher than you - even if he is smaller than you.

3) There is always a car that is faster than yours.

4) Don't pee into the wind.

5) Respect the "new" hotrods .... some of em are reaaalllly fast.

 

The C6.........Z06 will flat out smokem all....

 

So, it was very entertaining reading the all the insults and peoples . Thank you to everyone that posted hard numbers and didn't just rant, by the way.

The Subaru forum does seem to do one thing right, they have a proven power forum for people to post their time slips. After a quick browse, over there the best 1/4 mile time I saw was 11.35 by a modded STI. Actually looked like it was about a $50,000 car (30k + 20k worth of mods). I would love to see time slips from vette owners for comparison. I am curious how much the AWD really helps the launch (60ft times) and hurts the top end (trap speeds). Does anybody belong to a Ford forum that does something similiar?

 

No. I did not say "nothing will beat a Vette". I also did not say Cobras are junk. As a matter of fact I think the new Cobra is a great looking car and Ford will sell as many as they can put out. Corvette is a nice car but there are "many" cars much faster. I did not mean to get in a p**sng contest. And as far as trucks go, a high HP propane fueled full size pick up will embarrass many people.

 

I am curious to see the R&T or Car and Driver numbers on each one of these cars. That would show times with drivers of common skill level and in common conditions wouldn't it? Also the SVT is supercharged out of the factory and the STi turbo charged so we are comparing FI to NA. On the other hand the Corvette does have quite a bit more displacement so I guess that evens the playing field? Thoughts..................?

Cajun

 

Well said.

 

Ok all of this is fine and great. Lets compare the corbra to the z06. It is not a question. Lets compare a STi to a Z06 not a question. Mod for mod the cobra is cheaper but the interior is so bad. I dont care who wins because most are too fast to enjoy on the street. Z06 is a real car.

 

Are we talking 1/4 mile here? As a prior owner of an 03 Cobra, in the quarter, the C6 and 03/04 Cobra are very close. I never ran mine stock so I can't present any numbers but like this site, SVTPerformance has many stock times for the Cobra's. Many of those cars have run mid to high 12's@110-113. Looks very similar to our C6 cars. I believe the quickest on record is 12.3X@112 or 113. Magazine time, 12.43@113.X by MM&FF. So in a straight line, they are very much capable of keeping up with a stock C6.

 

Since you asked



Comp cam-3:73-SS3600-TPIS LTs-Vararam-LS6 intake-100 shot-17"drag radials-no cats-borla stinger

 

Bone stock STIs have hit a best of 12.9 with 60fts in the 1.7 range.

Keep in mind they will pull that 60ft anywhere on almost any tire, not just on prepped drag strip surfaces.

For drag strip racing on drag racing tires, AWD is a complete waste of weight and power. For racing on street tires or on non ideal surfaces, it is a huge huge huge advantage.

To run 11s with an STI doesn't take a lot of money. $1000 of turbo, $1000 of exauhst, and maybe $1000 of intercooler, tuning and you are done. I'd say $4k-$6k.

It naturally won't be the most stout motor in the world when they run a lot of boost, but good enough for a daily driver.

 

And mine was only good from a roll when I was done with it


What bench racers don't realize is how much driver involvement there is, even from a roll. Magazine numbers don't mean dick. I've beaten faster cars and lost to slower cars - it's all in consistent driving.

And a lot of Vette drivers seem to have extremely little driving skill. They just assume that 400HP means you just hit the gas and wait for the win light. (Then again, most Corvettes are slushboxes, so...)

 

Must have been a weak search you did.

The Puerto Rican STi owners don't mess around. They have scads of 10 second and a 9 second USDM 2004 STi:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=big+valley

Look for the video of one of their early 10 second runs. It's insane. A Stock STi is in 5th gear by the end of the 1/4 mile - that's a lot of shifts in a 9 or 10 second run.

 

The lightning with 500 hp posts 0-60 times of 5.6 seconds according to Pickup Truck Review. http://www.pickuptruckreview.com/For...htningSVT.html

at 5100 lbs thats over 10lbs per hp. A C6 is 8.1 lbs per hp with 0-60 times of 4.2 for an MN6.

 

One thing to clarify is the 2007 Ford is not a Cobra or Mustang it is a Shelby, hence the Shelby label on the rear lid. I'm surprised that Carrol did not spend more time making it look like a Shelby and not a Mustang with a snake on it that cost as much as a Vette. 475 at the crank, what is that at the rear? Will it beat my C6? I could really care less. I have a 67 GT Fastback "The real Deal" and if I really liked the new Mustang I would have bought one or the 2007. I did not because the look stupid in my opinion, from the side and rear. I have owned Mustangs (more than 20) in my years and the rear wing and side rear window does not belong. It looks like a Nissan from the rear side view. That is why this is my first Vette because I always wanted one and Chevy finally made it pretty correct starting in 2005 for the Tech era and looks. Will others beat it? Yep just like my son's Honda Civic SI with 12k of mods and over 500 FWHP but it's still a Civic and not my thing, it;s his thing. Same for the STI, I don't plan on racing an STI and just like the Civic they don't want to race from a dead stop at the track, they want a roll? What the heck is that crap. Never saw 20mph or 40mph roll at the Gainesville Gator Nationals last time I was there. Scared to get spanked I guess but again who cares, not winning any money on it. I love the car and cars for what they are and the new Vette is a great car 'super car if you will and will eat most of the cars up on the track it was meant to be on and that aint the 1/4 mile. Last time I checked the STO would not do 186mph unless I missed that in the brochere. Anyway that is my 4c on it and for a mere 7K I could have a bone stock C6 with a boost at 620HP that will what? Eat em all alive all day every day and no one else can claim that mod that I'm aware of.

 

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

The lightning never had 500hp bud. 380 from the factory. I owned one for two years, I know pretty well what they run. My truck was not stock when it ran those times.

BTW, the link you posted was a concept for a new lightning that was scrapped, never produced. It was slated to have 500hp. 01-04 lightning =380hp. 00-01=360hp. My 02 lightning bone stock as I said before ran 13.4@104, with some driving practice I could have had it to 13.2 easy.

At the time I sold it, at 5100lbs with me in it it was going 12.3.

So base your calculations on 380hp, and 4700lbs. And regardless of hp per lb, it's a truck and holds its own damn well, and holeshots better than a C6 IMO and I've owned both.

 

Just hate it when I'm correct

 

Not sure who your talking bud to but I was referring to a 500hp Civic not a lightning. I'm weel aware of specs from Ford as that is all I ever owned until now with the new vette. If I was a lotto winner I would have em all in a warehouse as they are all nice meaning Stangs, Vettes, Lightning, SRT-10, etc

 

Once again do we have to beat the livin hell out of this topic. This is old news, Evan Smith MM&FF ran 12.3 with a stock 03 Cobra and one of our members 06C6FVR just ran 12.23 with a stock Z51. So we are just starting to see some really good times out of the stock C6.

When the new Shelby Cobra comes out, then we will see how it runs. In my opinion it should be compared with the Z06 and not the C6.

 

If your not going to as you say beat the topic to death or discuss and give opinions, what is the purpose of a forum. Maybe someone that has been in it a whle has seen it all but not all have. Also it is a good area to hear all points and info to best decide what ever it is your looking in to. There will always be a faster car. what else are motor heads going to talk about anyway and you should be in bed at 2am anyway haha