Heads and Cam
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St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14
CYA-Vett, you stated "Ok, if it is a daily driver, I wouldn't go any larger than a 224 228 cam on a 114 LSA. Throw on a set of ETP heads and your looking at 440-450 at the wheels with very little change in driveability.
If you're on a budget get a nice set of ported heads, you will lose about 10-15 HP but save $1,000.
After you drive it for a day or two, you'll even forget the cam is in there...until you floor it."
Fredo, you stated "Heads and cam will make a huge difference. The heads could be ETP'S 215's or AFR'S. I prefer ETP.
A nice cam is the 224/228 581/588 on 114's My friend Andreas G has this cam and got great results. His car still gets great gas mileage, very streetable and yet provides tremendous power through the full range of rpm's.
As far as the Fast intake, it will provide some extra power to the above, however the H/C package will give you the best results.
H/C with headers and tuning should give you about 425 rwhp. You'll see a real change.
Good luck"
Fredo and CYA-Vett, thanks for directly answering my original post. Now for the real question;
CYA-Vett, what do you estimate you setup to cost with the ETP heads?
Fredo, same question.
Thanks,
Jeff
If you're on a budget get a nice set of ported heads, you will lose about 10-15 HP but save $1,000.
After you drive it for a day or two, you'll even forget the cam is in there...until you floor it."
Fredo, you stated "Heads and cam will make a huge difference. The heads could be ETP'S 215's or AFR'S. I prefer ETP.
A nice cam is the 224/228 581/588 on 114's My friend Andreas G has this cam and got great results. His car still gets great gas mileage, very streetable and yet provides tremendous power through the full range of rpm's.
As far as the Fast intake, it will provide some extra power to the above, however the H/C package will give you the best results.
H/C with headers and tuning should give you about 425 rwhp. You'll see a real change.
Good luck"
Fredo and CYA-Vett, thanks for directly answering my original post. Now for the real question;
CYA-Vett, what do you estimate you setup to cost with the ETP heads?
Fredo, same question.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Haven't had my work done yet . . .but I am looking at 3K to 3.5k for a cam and heads installed and tuned. My mod guy says 550hp at the crank shaft when we are finished. Kooks headers, blackwig, x-pipe, borla, cam, and heads will run 6K even all total.
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Originally Posted by Madd_Matt
Haven't had my work done yet . . .but I am looking at 3K to 3.5k for a cam and heads installed and tuned. My mod guy says 550hp at the crank shaft when we are finished. Kooks headers, blackwig, x-pipe, borla, cam, and heads will run 6K even all total.
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Originally Posted by Madd_Matt
Haven't had my work done yet . . .but I am looking at 3K to 3.5k for a cam and heads installed and tuned. My mod guy says 550hp at the crank shaft when we are finished. Kooks headers, blackwig, x-pipe, borla, cam, and heads will run 6K even all total.
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Here's my numbers with just LG Pro Long Tube Headers and a tune with no cats, the pull that the torque creates surprised me...........Manny
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Originally Posted by schilitj
That's a good deal, my Halltec, Dynatech's, Corsa's and tune cost me about $3,200 installed. I was guessing about $4,000 for the heads and cam.
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Originally Posted by Madd_Matt
Haven't had my work done yet . . .but I am looking at 3K to 3.5k for a cam and heads installed and tuned. My mod guy says 550hp at the crank shaft when we are finished. Kooks headers, blackwig, x-pipe, borla, cam, and heads will run 6K even all total.
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Jeff,
Why not ship your car up to Lingenfelter and get it done by the best, once and for all? Maybe if we could get a good deal, Chad and I will stick ours on the truck too. A little pricey, but I'd bet that there would be no questioning the numbers or SOTP difference!
Craig
If I could have gotten that as a factory item, you can bet I would have!
C'mon, Chad, I know you're just dying for a supercharger!
Why not ship your car up to Lingenfelter and get it done by the best, once and for all? Maybe if we could get a good deal, Chad and I will stick ours on the truck too. A little pricey, but I'd bet that there would be no questioning the numbers or SOTP difference!
Craig
If I could have gotten that as a factory item, you can bet I would have!
C'mon, Chad, I know you're just dying for a supercharger!
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Originally Posted by cmb13
Jeff,
Why not ship your car up to Lingenfelter and get it done by the best, once and for all? Maybe if we could get a good deal, Chad and I will stick ours on the truck too. A little pricey, but I'd bet that there would be no questioning the numbers or SOTP difference!
Craig
If I could have gotten that as a factory item, you can bet I would have!
C'mon, Chad, I know you're just dying for a supercharger!
Why not ship your car up to Lingenfelter and get it done by the best, once and for all? Maybe if we could get a good deal, Chad and I will stick ours on the truck too. A little pricey, but I'd bet that there would be no questioning the numbers or SOTP difference!
Craig
If I could have gotten that as a factory item, you can bet I would have!
C'mon, Chad, I know you're just dying for a supercharger!
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Originally Posted by schilitj
Disclaimer: I am not very technical so please try to answer my question in everyday language (also no flaming)
Current Setup: 05C6, 6sp, Z51 with Dynatech SuperMAXX headers/hiflow cats, Halltech Stinger, Corsa Sports, 160 degree thermostat and tuned.
Statement: I would like to, as my next mod, add heads and cam to increase my rwhp which now sits at 355.3 after tuning (remember, no flaming).
Question: What setup would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your input.
Jeff
Current Setup: 05C6, 6sp, Z51 with Dynatech SuperMAXX headers/hiflow cats, Halltech Stinger, Corsa Sports, 160 degree thermostat and tuned.
Statement: I would like to, as my next mod, add heads and cam to increase my rwhp which now sits at 355.3 after tuning (remember, no flaming).
Question: What setup would you recommend?
Thanks in advance for your input.
Jeff
you mised 20hp/tq somehwere in your dyno - most are getting 375 without a tune - just putting them on. I'd call dynatech and ask them about horsepower group you dealt with. LG's really good about working with their distributers/integrators, so I'm sure dynatech is too.
Anyway, I have headers+cam+tune and I'm at 425rwhp/400tq and very happy with it as a road-race car.
JK
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Originally Posted by cmb13
I'm sorry, I don't get it. Does that mean you're in? 
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Originally Posted by jkonkle
you mised 20hp/tq somehwere in your dyno - most are getting 375 without a tune - just putting them on. I'd call dynatech and ask them about horsepower group you dealt with. LG's really good about working with their distributers/integrators, so I'm sure dynatech is too.
Anyway, I have headers+cam+tune and I'm at 425rwhp/400tq and very happy with it as a road-race car.
JK
Anyway, I have headers+cam+tune and I'm at 425rwhp/400tq and very happy with it as a road-race car.
JK
Not a bad idea, call Dynatech. I did speak again with my tuner and he is stumped. He's pretty well know in this area, Mike Norris. He's offered to redo it, but does not see much change happening.
BTW, love the way your C6 sounds, too bad the clip doesn't have you pushing the RPM's up and up and up. Would love to hear it wide open. What exhaust system are you running..
Jeff
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Originally Posted by schilitj
Fredo and CYA-Vett, thanks for directly answering my original post. Now for the real question;
CYA-Vett, what do you estimate you setup to cost with the ETP heads?
Fredo, same question.
Thanks,
Jeff
CYA-Vett, what do you estimate you setup to cost with the ETP heads?
Fredo, same question.
Thanks,
Jeff
ETP 215 Heads...$2,400
Cam $400
Push Rods $110
Head Gaskets $140
Tube RTV Sealant $5
Head Bolts $150
Gaskets for water pump, timing cover $40
Front Seal $15
Oil Change $50
Antifreeze $20
Misc.. $100
That is about $3,430 in parts.
$500 for a tune.
Figure on 8-10 hours in labor for a shop that knows what they are doing. Or do it yourself, like I do, I'm cheap
Do not take it to a shop that is not familiar with Corvette's, it will take them about 6 hours longer..I think you should consider doing it yourself, it really is fairly simple, if you never did it before figure on about 16-20 hours. The next time you do it, figure on 10.
Dave
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Originally Posted by valdeztke
i am going to open my own performance shop ... a non profit one!
that may last a month or so....
I just wished I could find 10k laying around ...
that may last a month or so....I just wished I could find 10k laying around ...
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St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14
Originally Posted by CYA-Vett
Ok, lets start with the parts...
ETP 215 Heads...$2,400
Cam $400
Push Rods $110
Head Gaskets $140
Tube RTV Sealant $5
Head Bolts $150
Gaskets for water pump, timing cover $40
Front Seal $15
Oil Change $50
Antifreeze $20
Misc.. $100
That is about $3,430 in parts.
$500 for a tune.
Figure on 8-10 hours in labor for a shop that knows what they are doing. Or do it yourself, like I do, I'm cheap
Do not take it to a shop that is not familiar with Corvette's, it will take them about 6 hours longer..I think you should consider doing it yourself, it really is fairly simple, if you never did it before figure on about 16-20 hours. The next time you do it, figure on 10.
Dave
ETP 215 Heads...$2,400
Cam $400
Push Rods $110
Head Gaskets $140
Tube RTV Sealant $5
Head Bolts $150
Gaskets for water pump, timing cover $40
Front Seal $15
Oil Change $50
Antifreeze $20
Misc.. $100
That is about $3,430 in parts.
$500 for a tune.
Figure on 8-10 hours in labor for a shop that knows what they are doing. Or do it yourself, like I do, I'm cheap
Do not take it to a shop that is not familiar with Corvette's, it will take them about 6 hours longer..I think you should consider doing it yourself, it really is fairly simple, if you never did it before figure on about 16-20 hours. The next time you do it, figure on 10.
Dave
Dave
Thanks, this is what I was looking for. About $4K+(including labor) then a tune. Too bad you don't live closer. I'm to the point in my life where it is easier to write a check than do something like this that would take me twice as long as you estimate and add another $1.5k to the cost.
BTW, Go Steelers! I was born in Pgh, left in 1969, but always a Steeler fan where ever I lived.
Jeff