Which Oil Filter?
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Originally Posted by AAONMS
An oldie, but a goodie:
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
Melting Slicks
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From: Northern CA
Originally Posted by C6dude
I am going to use this Ultra Filter on my SC402 . heres a pic of mine taken apart and a link to their site. What do you guys think about their claims. It definitely looks like it will flow and filter better than a paper filter, I don't know about their HP claims though.
http://store.yahoo.com/hopup1/troilfiforgm.html
http://store.yahoo.com/hopup1/troilfiforgm.html
Another example of BS is:
Paper filters have a “Bypass” that opens at 12 lbs of pressure. Most motors idle at 11lbs of pressure. At 12 lbs, the bypass opens and filtering stops. All of the dirt and metals are then sent back into your motor. Paper filters only filter 10-20% of their actual life.
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Originally Posted by xs650
The power claims are bogus as is their claim that it filters better than a "paper" filter. Another example of BS is:
Paper filters have a “Bypass” that opens at 12 lbs of pressure. Most motors idle at 11lbs of pressure. At 12 lbs, the bypass opens and filtering stops. All of the dirt and metals are then sent back into your motor. Paper filters only filter 10-20% of their actual life.
Originally Posted by xs650
They either don't have a clue how a bypass in an oil filter works or are less than honest.
I use the A/C Delco UPF 44 which was shown to be a very good filter on one of the websites. I beleive it has sysnthetic media as well (the standard PF44 does not).
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Originally Posted by LS WON
Isn't this now outdated as this was done sometime ago in 2003?
But, even this one is a few years behind the current filters on the market. Still has some pretty interesting info though.
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Originally Posted by need-for-speed
I agree with xs650. I would stay away from those lieing bastards. Any idiot knows that it is DIFFERENTIAL pressure that causes a filter to go into bypass mode. For them to confuse differential pressure with system operating pressure proves they are either ignorant or dishonest.
I use the A/C Delco UPF 44 which was shown to be a very good filter on one of the websites. I beleive it has sysnthetic media as well (the standard PF44 does not).
I use the A/C Delco UPF 44 which was shown to be a very good filter on one of the websites. I beleive it has sysnthetic media as well (the standard PF44 does not).
http://www.gopurepower.com/
http://www.gopurepower.com/store/ite...em&itemKey=664
http://www.motoworldracing.com/ready...oilfilter.html
http://p2library.nfesc.navy.mil/P2_O...ok/6_II_2.html
Melting Slicks
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From: Northern CA
Originally Posted by C6dude
I don't believe their claims but I believe it is MUCH better than any paper filter available. I filters much finer particles and much more flow. I did some research
For the amusment of those who understand filters, I offer this quote from one of the URLs
5 Micron Material
Oil is 12 Microns; it can’t go through a 5 micron material. *Oil flows BY, NOT THROUGH.
Oil is 12 Microns; it can’t go through a 5 micron material. *Oil flows BY, NOT THROUGH.
I believe that's from the same people that claim regular filters bypass at 12 psi system pressure.
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Burning Brakes
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xs 650 Do you believe this is bull**** from the Navy site ? I quote a paragraph.
"Use of reusable filters reduces the quantity and cost of purchasing oil filters. Labor costs are equivalent or slightly higher for the reusable filter, but are off set by the elimination of the back end handling of disposable filters. In comparison to paper filters, reusable filters can remove up to 40% more iron, copper, lead, tin, and aluminum than traditional paper element filters, reduce silicon (sand and dirt) by up to 50% more than paper element filters, reduce the depletion rate of the oil additive package (TBN) by as much as 20% over paper element filters, and, when coupled with an engine oil analysis program, will extend engine oil life by as much as 67%, thus reducing the need and expense of oil changes."
"Use of reusable filters reduces the quantity and cost of purchasing oil filters. Labor costs are equivalent or slightly higher for the reusable filter, but are off set by the elimination of the back end handling of disposable filters. In comparison to paper filters, reusable filters can remove up to 40% more iron, copper, lead, tin, and aluminum than traditional paper element filters, reduce silicon (sand and dirt) by up to 50% more than paper element filters, reduce the depletion rate of the oil additive package (TBN) by as much as 20% over paper element filters, and, when coupled with an engine oil analysis program, will extend engine oil life by as much as 67%, thus reducing the need and expense of oil changes."
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Originally Posted by C6dude
xs 650 Do you believe this is bull**** from the Navy site ? I quote a paragraph.
"Use of reusable filters reduces the quantity and cost of purchasing oil filters. Labor costs are equivalent or slightly higher for the reusable filter, but are off set by the elimination of the back end handling of disposable filters. In comparison to paper filters, reusable filters can remove up to 40% more iron, copper, lead, tin, and aluminum than traditional paper element filters, reduce silicon (sand and dirt) by up to 50% more than paper element filters, reduce the depletion rate of the oil additive package (TBN) by as much as 20% over paper element filters, and, when coupled with an engine oil analysis program, will extend engine oil life by as much as 67%, thus reducing the need and expense of oil changes."
"Use of reusable filters reduces the quantity and cost of purchasing oil filters. Labor costs are equivalent or slightly higher for the reusable filter, but are off set by the elimination of the back end handling of disposable filters. In comparison to paper filters, reusable filters can remove up to 40% more iron, copper, lead, tin, and aluminum than traditional paper element filters, reduce silicon (sand and dirt) by up to 50% more than paper element filters, reduce the depletion rate of the oil additive package (TBN) by as much as 20% over paper element filters, and, when coupled with an engine oil analysis program, will extend engine oil life by as much as 67%, thus reducing the need and expense of oil changes."
Absolutely. That's not the entire US Navy speaking, it's part of a publication put out with polution reduction ideas.
There is no testing to back it up and the Navy is not officially recommending adaption of those filters. It parrots vendors propaganda.
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From: San Francisco CA
Originally Posted by Subdriver
The source site, which is much more updated than the one you linked above is www.oilfilterstudy.com
But, even this one is a few years behind the current filters on the market. Still has some pretty interesting info though.
But, even this one is a few years behind the current filters on the market. Still has some pretty interesting info though.
Burning Brakes
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From: Bloomingdale Illinois
Originally Posted by xs650
Reread the page at the 2nd URL you listed.
"Filtration Rate (not screening material micron size) SAE J1858"
What that means is that it filters between 5 and 25 microns being at 25 with no restriction if you look at their chart posted. Regular filters filter between 20 and 80 microns so some stuff gets by it.
Also I don't know see any paper oil filter manufacturer not saying theirs is the not best filter. K&N ,Mobil 1, Fram etc.
I don't know what your qualifications are to dismiss all this as B.S. Do you think the Navy ,Aerospace, racing and the rest of these sites are somehow connected with their test results and are trying to sell you something ? Until I see a independent test done using stainless filtration as well as conventional paper/synthetic to show me otherwise,I will make my own judgement and stick with the stainless filtration on my 25K 1050hp motor. Thanks for your input
Melting Slicks
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From: Northern CA
Originally Posted by C6dude
I don't know what your qualifications are to dismiss all this as B.S. Do you think the Navy ,Aerospace, racing and the rest of these sites are somehow connected with their test results and are trying to sell you something ? Until I see a independent test done using stainless filtration as well as conventional paper/synthetic to show me otherwise,I will make my own judgement and stick with the stainless filtration on my 25K 1050hp motor. Thanks for your input
It makes no diference to me what filter you use, or whether you even use filter. The purpose of my responses was to let others know that something smelled rotten in those claims.
Le Mans Master
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From: Tobacco Road NC
Originally Posted by easyrider13
I'm using the AC Delco Ultra Guard UPF44.
It filters down to 8-10 microns (I think Mobil One filters to 10-12 microns).
Either is fine, and substanially better than the stock filter which filters to perhaps 25 microns.
I bought a case (6) from Bean's.
It filters down to 8-10 microns (I think Mobil One filters to 10-12 microns).
Either is fine, and substanially better than the stock filter which filters to perhaps 25 microns.
I bought a case (6) from Bean's.
me too
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From: Guelph, Ontario
Originally Posted by cleo
How do you know this? 
Also, don't be fooled into thinking these super fine filters are the way to go. You simply do not need a 5 micron oil filter in order to get low engine wear. I've got proof on that, since I use nothing but the K&N oil filter on mine, which is about a 20 micron filter, but yet I see extremely low engine wear in my oil analysis results. Lower than any other results I've seen posted for a Corvette actually. So obviously the filter does not need to take out super small particles. If you're running a good oil to begin with, there won't be a ton of metal particles in there anyhow! (I run German Castrol 0w30)
Last edited by Patman; Apr 1, 2006 at 07:32 PM.
Burning Brakes
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I am not basing nothing on that site only even though I don't feel the same way you do about it. Do a search on stainless steel oil filtration. There is a lot more "propaganda " to read about. I did not spit out $150+ dollars on reading the navy site or my URL's posted alone if that's what you think. I just did a quick search for links to have people see some prices and "propaganda" to make their own descision if they chose to go that route.
You are just stating your opinion on you oil filter preference as I am . If you know that stainless doesn't filter as well or better ,I haven't seen you post any "propaganda" from other sites but your own. Are we just suppose to believe you because you cut down everybody that sells, produces or uses stainless filters with no proof ? or because of your of your "reading comprehension" ?
I'm done on this topic ,you can have last word
You are just stating your opinion on you oil filter preference as I am . If you know that stainless doesn't filter as well or better ,I haven't seen you post any "propaganda" from other sites but your own. Are we just suppose to believe you because you cut down everybody that sells, produces or uses stainless filters with no proof ? or because of your of your "reading comprehension" ?
I'm done on this topic ,you can have last word
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Originally Posted by C6dude
I am going to use this Ultra Filter on my SC402 . heres a pic of mine taken apart and a link to their site. What do you guys think about their claims. It definitely looks like it will flow and filter better than a paper filter, I don't know about their HP claims though.
http://store.yahoo.com/hopup1/troilfiforgm.html
http://store.yahoo.com/hopup1/troilfiforgm.html
And there is no way ANY filter is going to give you a HP increase. Lastly, if we assume a good oil filter is 9 dollars, you can change your oil 11 times for the same price as one of these filters. For me, that would mean oil changes for 66,000 miles before I even break even. The one thing the BITOG folks agreed on is that the build quality seemed to be excellent.
A few people have tried it and it didn't seem to hurt anything but no one has run one for very long so the jury is still out.
For me, I will stick with either the UPF44 or the Amsoil filter.
YMMV and good luck. Are you going to do UOA's? Keep us informed.