American racing header primaries
Melting Slicks
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: Goleta California
Originally Posted by SpinMonster
I have only seen two graphs. They were 375hp and the other was 376hp tuned without cats. Do you have a better example of a well tuned 6 speed with them that you can post a dyno graph of for the low TQ specifically? I would drop my kooks if they were better.
Race Director
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: God's Country, ID
Originally Posted by MR Lumpy
Spinmonster, The Vette Doctors crew, which I'm a part of, spend their time making horsepower and very satisfied customers. They have little time to post dyno sheets. Our customers usually do it anyway. Any tuner can come up with bogus claims of 50rwtq but Lou is the one that makes a living at it. He also makes a living telling everyone 
about his 32" long primaries when in reality only 4 tubes are even remotely close to that number and the rest are 40". You don't have to make living as a tuner to know that one header certainly won't work for every application but when you only have one header to sell you need to fool everyone into thinking that. The original poster wanted to know what the difference was in length with LG's, Kook's, and A.R. Headers. We gave him the correct answers and now there's a problem. I guess the truth hurts. Maybe someone should redesign their parts to better match what they claim they're selling.
about his 32" long primaries when in reality only 4 tubes are even remotely close to that number and the rest are 40". You don't have to make living as a tuner to know that one header certainly won't work for every application but when you only have one header to sell you need to fool everyone into thinking that. The original poster wanted to know what the difference was in length with LG's, Kook's, and A.R. Headers. We gave him the correct answers and now there's a problem. I guess the truth hurts. Maybe someone should redesign their parts to better match what they claim they're selling.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Sep 2004
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From: Shiloh Ohio
This thread was not started by a vendor and it was asking about both sets of headers. Both vendors replied in a professional non abrasive manner.
The post bashing Lou was uncalled for.
I currently have LG pro's with cats to corsa sports. With a CAI and tune I gained 47 RWHP. I am quite happy with that. Currently I have run .45 faster than stock and gained 4-5 mph trap speed in the qtr mile. I am quite satisfied with LG's product.
I have also seen several vette doctor customers running and there is no doubt there products are also quite effective.
Two best tuners in the country in my opinion
, I wish I lived closer to one of them.
The post bashing Lou was uncalled for.
I currently have LG pro's with cats to corsa sports. With a CAI and tune I gained 47 RWHP. I am quite happy with that. Currently I have run .45 faster than stock and gained 4-5 mph trap speed in the qtr mile. I am quite satisfied with LG's product.
I have also seen several vette doctor customers running and there is no doubt there products are also quite effective.
Two best tuners in the country in my opinion
, I wish I lived closer to one of them.
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The original poster asked what the length of the A.R. Headers were and why A.R. went with this length. I don't see anywhere in the original post where Lou was asked to post information about his headers. The VD response was clear, honest and to the point. It also addressed the responses made in post #2 and 3. Claiming gains of 50rwtq is at best 
and a sign of desparation.
and a sign of desparation.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Oct 2005
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From: Goleta California
Originally Posted by MR Lumpy
The original poster asked what the length of the A.R. Headers were and why A.R. went with this length. I don't see anywhere in the original post where Lou was asked to post information about his headers. The VD response was clear, honest and to the point. It also addressed the responses made in post #2 and 3. Claiming gains of 50rwtq is at best and a sign of desparation.
and a sign of desparation.
Tech Contributor
Joined: Mar 2003
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Originally Posted by achilds
You mean posts 12 and 13. I have to agree that the gains seem out of bed for just headers. As I noted to SpinMonster I am having my car tuned in the not to distant future and will post the results before and after tuning. I also have my cars numbers before I installed the headers so then everyone will have a non biased result to review. Now since the original post was answered let this one end.
I like how so many from some shops have 'junior' forum member status. How many screen names do you bashers have? Why not list your name? I think this thread should be locked due to tuner bashing as is usually the case when certain shops get involved.
I dont see anyone trading in LG's for any other brand anyway. I have yet to see anyone beat the results gotten by A&A with LG headers so there is no reason to even begin to credit such accusations of fraud.
Edit: Is Vette docs associated with the 'crew' that just did the bashing?
Last edited by SpinMonster; Aug 3, 2006 at 01:03 PM.
Tech Contributor
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 12,094
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Originally Posted by MR Lumpy
The original poster asked what the length of the A.R. Headers were and why A.R. went with this length. I don't see anywhere in the original post where Lou was asked to post information about his headers. The VD response was clear, honest and to the point. It also addressed the responses made in post #2 and 3. Claiming gains of 50rwtq is at best and a sign of desparation.
and a sign of desparation.I think desparation is hacking away at others reputation on made up screen names without real bio info to hide who you are so you can not get caught and banned.
Last edited by SpinMonster; Aug 3, 2006 at 01:06 PM.
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