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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 05:20 PM
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I'm not an old fart,but I sure do fart!!

theirs a linear relationship between the amount of gas a person has and his or hers age.so in effect you are an"old fart" if you have chronic gas.theirs also a inverse relationship between the number freinds you have and the amount of gas you pass......................


sorry i think this may be off topic
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What did you run? Stock vs modded, stock vs stock, etc. I'm not talking about magazine racing here. Stock for stock, these cars are very much evenly matched with the win going to the driver. At least two different GT500's (one a convert) running 120-121 with only a tune. Granted, no longer stock but can a c6 run 120-121 with only a tune? Obviously only taking straights here as I'm sure the C6 will own in anything but. But to believe a car magazine where a C6 wins by .1 and 1 mph isn't anything but a drivers race is silly. The cars are matched in the 1/4 mile.

My car is bone stock. Base with runflats. His car appeared to be stock. I doubt he had a tune. From what my friend that watched him said he was getting great reaction times which usually indicates an experienced driver. His times improved through the night, also indicating some level of experience.

As far as trapping 8-10 miles an hour faster than stock with just a tune, I'd have to see it to believe it. That would indicate that someone found an additional 75-100hp that Ford forgot to put on the table. My guess is the tune also included a pulley change.

The main thing is, talking stock for stock the GT500 is slower, has a cheaper interior, doesn't handle or brake as well, doesn't get as good gas mileage, isn't as nice looking and doesn't carry the status of a Vette. When you factor in the dealer markup on the GT500 it's more money than a C6. I can't think of any reason, other than to be different, that you would want a GT500. Heck I'd take a GTO over that. Almost identical performance for about half the price.
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 07:25 PM
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I was traveling in the center s/b 275 in Tampa area with my LMB 05 Z51just minding my business when all of a sudden a blue Mustang Shelby pulled beside me in the fast lane. The driver and the passenger looked me as if, let's get it on. He tapped on his accelerator several times to provoke me to race. The traffic was mild to somewhat heavy at the time. So on his last acceleration he pulled away rapidly. I just looked and didn't do anything. Now, here goes the funny part. A State Trooper was sitting on the right roadside. It was apparent that he saw the Mustang speeding and the driver acting like a fool in traffic. The State Trooper immediately pulled onto the highway with his emergency equipment already activated for this guy. Fortunately, the State Trooper didn't have to chase the Mustang down because the driver knew he was wrong and immediately pulled over to the right shoulder. This is my third encounter with a Mustang. What is it with these guys picking on Corvettes? Do they want to go home and tell their girlfriends that they beat a Corvette? I don't know. What I have to say about this is, stay away from the Mustangs on the street because they will get you in trouble.
He also didn't know that you are a former trooper!
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Of course some of us old pathetic people have things to lose. Like my 1600 ton masters paper. Also Ill be kicked from the insurance pool. That means I cant work any more. And I have assets which makes me sueable if things go bad. And a family who is counting on me. I have to admit I dice it up with friends of mine out in the sticks but it isnt a streetrace by any means and the only person I can hurt is myself. The classic streetrace? Nah, I have nothing to gain, nothing to prove, dont care who's car is faster, and plenty to lose.
I have way too much to lose and a good laywer can always turn you into the reckless agressor regardless of who picked the race. Besides, as someone else said here a long time ago, "once you open your wallet all bets are off". Any car can be made fast enough to take a vette-many can be made fast very cheap. I may be an "old fart" at 49 but this old fart teaches martial arts and fights on a regular basis. But, I do so legally and at no risk to my assets (well, maybe my bone structure). Racing is for the track just as fighting is for the dojo.
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Originally Posted by need-for-speed
Yup. Yardsticks and pissing contests - the more things change, the more they stay the same.

I've even seen a Corvette owner post here that Viper owners must be making up for having small penises.

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Old Nov 19, 2006 | 06:48 PM
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Congrats for not taking the bait. There was a time I loved to street race, but these days there is too much to lose. Where I live, Lafayette, LA there was a streetrace about 4-5 weeks ago with a mustang gt and honda civic. Mustang lost control and hit a vehicle in opposite lane head on. Killed 4 people in that car. I personally stopped street racing several years ago after I had a very close call and my wife was with me. Not a good feeling when your going over 100mph and your life flashes before you. All I have to say is..Take it to the track. Bust those pesty mustangs there. lol
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Originally Posted by bonnell
I may be an "old fart" at 49 but this old fart teaches martial arts and fights on a regular basis. But, I do so legally and at no risk to my assets (well, maybe my bone structure). Racing is for the track just as fighting is for the dojo.
Hey...you're no old fart at 49...Especially if you're in shape (which you must be for martial arts).

I was in my prime while in my 40's...Many younger folks won't believe it, but 40's can be the best years of your life. Off topic, but I couldn't resist.
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Also..thanks to corvette forum for not condoning streetracing
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Originally Posted by fergy flyer
My car is bone stock. Base with runflats. His car appeared to be stock. I doubt he had a tune. From what my friend that watched him said he was getting great reaction times which usually indicates an experienced driver. His times improved through the night, also indicating some level of experience.
Again, what were your times and his? That will tell a lot.


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As far as trapping 8-10 miles an hour faster than stock with just a tune, I'd have to see it to believe it. That would indicate that someone found an additional 75-100hp that Ford forgot to put on the table. My guess is the tune also included a pulley change.
Well, it is the net but there are guys with GT500's who document their passes just as some Vette guys do, like Ranger. Who said the mph is 8-10 mph faster? It seems to have been more like 5-6 mph faster. For example, (a guy who I tried to run while in SoCal) ran a best of 11.89@119.7 with only DR's and a tune. He went 12.7@120.4 on street tires. He recenty ran 11.410@125.71 on DR's with a 2.6" pulley, 3.73 gears, cat-back and tune. On street tires, 11.863@125.26. There's video of the runs if you would like to see it. Believe what you want but the GT500 are no joke in the quarter, C&D be damned.

Originally Posted by fergy flyer
The main thing is, talking stock for stock the GT500 is slower, has a cheaper interior, doesn't handle or brake as well, doesn't get as good gas mileage, isn't as nice looking and doesn't carry the status of a Vette. When you factor in the dealer markup on the GT500 it's more money than a C6. I can't think of any reason, other than to be different, that you would want a GT500. Heck I'd take a GTO over that. Almost identical performance for about half the price.
Do you have a GT500? If not, how do you know the interior is cheaper? Owning a Vette gives someone status? Kind of like the status of having to be old, balding or gray and wear gold chains? If it's a money thing, well, the GT500 costs more with the ridiculous mark-up than a C6 so the owners who have them could probably afford a new C6. I've never raced my Vette around corners but would agree the C6 has the heavy GT500 in the curves, only from what I've read. The GT500 is a straightline shooter. However, on this site is a racer who runs his GT500 in the twisties...his video is in the C5Z06 section I belive. If you believe the GTO to have almost the performance of the GT500, hey, ignorance is bliss I suppose. The GT500 is a simple tune away from putting a stock C6, even a C6 with simple mods, in its rearview mirror. I love Vettes, especially the C6 but have to give credit where it's due.
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Originally Posted by bunk22
Might want to look at some of the times real drivers are hitting with the GT500 both stock and slightly modified....like just a tune. The GT500 can very well out run a C6, regardless of what Car and Driver claims.
I ran a 500 the other day about 7 times, well my friend did with me in the car....... both cars bone stock..... vette had the 500 1/2 a car through 3rd then slowly walked away from from him until at 130 we were 2 -3 cars ahead of him......EVERY TIME
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Again, what were your times and his? That will tell a lot.




Well, it is the net but there are guys with GT500's who document their passes just as some Vette guys do, like Ranger. Who said the mph is 8-10 mph faster? It seems to have been more like 5-6 mph faster. For example, (a guy who I tried to run while in SoCal) ran a best of 11.89@119.7 with only DR's and a tune. He went 12.7@120.4 on street tires. He recenty ran 11.410@125.71 on DR's with a 2.6" pulley, 3.73 gears, cat-back and tune. On street tires, 11.863@125.26. There's video of the runs if you would like to see it. Believe what you want but the GT500 are no joke in the quarter, C&D be damned.



Do you have a GT500? If not, how do you know the interior is cheaper? Owning a Vette gives someone status? Kind of like the status of having to be old, balding or gray and wear gold chains? If it's a money thing, well, the GT500 costs more with the ridiculous mark-up than a C6 so the owners who have them could probably afford a new C6. I've never raced my Vette around corners but would agree the C6 has the heavy GT500 in the curves, only from what I've read. The GT500 is a straightline shooter. However, on this site is a racer who runs his GT500 in the twisties...his video is in the C5Z06 section I belive. If you believe the GTO to have almost the performance of the GT500, hey, ignorance is bliss I suppose. The GT500 is a simple tune away from putting a stock C6, even a C6 with simple mods, in its rearview mirror. I love Vettes, especially the C6 but have to give credit where it's due.
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Congrats for not taking the bait. There was a time I loved to street race, but these days there is too much to lose. Where I live, Lafayette, LA there was a streetrace about 4-5 weeks ago with a mustang gt and honda civic. Mustang lost control and hit a vehicle in opposite lane head on. Killed 4 people in that car. I personally stopped street racing several years ago after I had a very close call and my wife was with me. Not a good feeling when your going over 100mph and your life flashes before you. All I have to say is..Take it to the track. Bust those pesty mustangs there. lol
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Somebody sounds like they're upset because their supercharged 500hp GT500 isn't as quick as a stock naturally aspirated c6. The only thing ford got somewhat right is the Ford GT..and that costs around $150,000+. All the mustangs are overweight and don't handle that well.
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How did being an old, graying bald person that wears gold chains get into this ? I resemble that remark. In fact, how can a bald person be graying ? Eyebrows ?
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How did being an old, graying bald person that wears gold chains get into this ? I resemble that remark. In fact, how can a bald person be graying ? Eyebrows ?
Hey, I'm bald, getting old but will never wear gold chains . It seems to be the standard that we vette guys are often compared to.
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[QUOTE=bunk22]Again, what were your times and his? That will tell a lot.

Again, I beat him by a 1/2 second and 1-2 mph.
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Hey, I'm bald, getting old but will never wear gold chains . It seems to be the standard that we vette guys are often compared to.
Uh huh ..................... Judging from my g/f, it's the gold standard.
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Well, it is the net but there are guys with GT500's who document their passes just as some Vette guys do, like Ranger. Who said the mph is 8-10 mph faster? It seems to have been more like 5-6 mph faster. For example, (a guy who I tried to run while in SoCal) ran a best of 11.89@119.7 with only DR's and a tune. He went 12.7@120.4 on street tires. He recenty ran 11.410@125.71 on DR's with a 2.6" pulley, 3.73 gears, cat-back and tune. On street tires, 11.863@125.26. There's video of the runs if you would like to see it. Believe what you want but the GT500 are no joke in the quarter, C&D be damned.

No need to see a video of a modified GT500 going fast. I know they have some potential. I'd bet the car has more than a tune.

C&D had the highest mph for the GT500 of any of the magazines, it was 113 mph. Most of the magazines had 112mph and the guy I saw run at Gainesville ran 108-109 mph versus my 111. I gues I should have said 7-12 mph faster.

Sorry but you need to accept the fact that the GT500 is a overweight. Because of that it is slower than you would expect from a 500 hp car. Yes I know all the guys are tuning them and magically finding 100 hp.
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Do you have a GT500? If not, how do you know the interior is cheaper? Owning a Vette gives someone status? Kind of like the status of having to be old, balding or gray and wear gold chains? If it's a money thing, well, the GT500 costs more with the ridiculous mark-up than a C6 so the owners who have them could probably afford a new C6. I've never raced my Vette around corners but would agree the C6 has the heavy GT500 in the curves, only from what I've read. The GT500 is a straightline shooter. However, on this site is a racer who runs his GT500 in the twisties...his video is in the C5Z06 section I belive. If you believe the GTO to have almost the performance of the GT500, hey, ignorance is bliss I suppose. The GT500 is a simple tune away from putting a stock C6, even a C6 with simple mods, in its rearview mirror. I love Vettes, especially the C6 but have to give credit where it's due.[/QUOTE]

You don't have to own a car to know what it's interior looks like. I sat in one at a dealer. I looked at the one that was at the drag strip. It looks like the interior of a $20-25,000 car not a $60,000 car which is what it costs with the dealer mark-up.

Lets see the GTO runs the 1/4 in 13.2 at 109. I got my GTO to run a 12.895 at 110. Most of the time it ran 13.1-13.3. Saturday at Gainesville there was a stock 05 GTO that ran a real consistant 13.5. The Shelby I saw ran a 13.5, a 13.4 and a 13.2. I'd say the GTO was within spitting distance of the GT500. For half the price how could you not take the GTO over the Ford. Lets use your tuned versus stock and put a GTO with DR's and a tune versus a stock GT500, the GTO would kill the GT500.

The only people I've seen in a GT500 so far have been, well, they looked like they would be at home in a Vette too. What that means is, for most people, a Corvette or a car like the Shelby, make sense once you have the kids graduated from college and enough income to afford a toy. I'm not sure where the gold chains part comes from, I'd think that would be the Mercedes with the gold package crowd.
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