A6 vs. M6
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
A6 vs. M6
Why do you think the M6 is so much faster than the A6? Will tuning for the transmission make it any quicker? I was surprised that even with favorable gearing, the A6 isnt much quicker than it is.
If the A6 was available when I bought my car, I may have gotten it instead of the manual.
Any input?
If the A6 was available when I bought my car, I may have gotten it instead of the manual.
Any input?
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I'm not sure that the M6 is really that much faster, if at all. I'd like to see a comparison of track times for cars that have had tuning (TM turned off), as TM seems to affect A6 cars more. I also think that once some aftermarket torque converters for the A6 hit the market, you will see some really good times.
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St. Jude Donor '21-'22-'23-'24
Originally Posted by SpinMonster
Why do you think the M6 is so much faster than the A6? Any input?
Showroom Stock
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1- 06 A6 *
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6
12.49 @ 114.90 - Jschindler - 05 Z51 M6
12.53 @ 113.00 - Wicked07C6 - 07 Z51 M6
12.54 @ 113.74 - Tony96LT4 - 06 Z51 A6
* new time set just yesterday
BTW, here's the link, complete with time slips.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1570049
Last edited by Vette_DD; Dec 10, 2006 at 11:02 AM.
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Originally Posted by glennhl
The A6 is NOW faster than the M6. That sucks for all the poor guys that made the mistake and bought the older technology transmission!
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; Dec 10, 2006 at 11:39 AM.
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Equal cars with GOOD drivers the Manual will be faster. The Auto is easier to drive for good times and repeatable performance times BUT uses around 10-15 RWHP to drive the torque convertor and the hydraulic clutches and pumps in the tranny.
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Originally Posted by DSOM Z51
You are into drag racing as I recall. For comparison purposes, when comparing one time from one part of the country to another, does anyone ever compare the DAs under which the times on that list were run?
I have a list of my corrected times and the car was very consistent until the last time I went out. I had great air for Arizona (1150 foot DA), but my trap speed corrected out 1.5 mph slow.
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Originally Posted by DSOM Z51
You are into drag racing as I recall. For comparison purposes, when comparing one time from one part of the country to another, does anyone ever compare the DAs under which the times on that list were run?
However as you can see by the corrected times below the M6 should be faster.
A6
Based on:
Temp: 33°
Humidity: 34%
Track Altitude: 33 feet
Pressure: 30.44 in.
Density Altitude = -2295 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.215 @ 115.45
Corrected 12.46 @ 113.17
M6
Based on:
Temp: 59°
Humidity: 27%
Track Altitude: 10 feet
Pressure: 30.29 in.
Density Altitude = -349 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.235 @ 115.58
Corrected 12.28 @ 115.19
Edited for better weather station for Atco.
Last edited by Brett Hunter; Dec 10, 2006 at 12:28 PM.
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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
Why do you think the M6 is so much faster than the A6? Will tuning for the transmission make it any quicker? I was surprised that even with favorable gearing, the A6 isnt much quicker than it is.
If the A6 was available when I bought my car, I may have gotten it instead of the manual.
Any input?
If the A6 was available when I bought my car, I may have gotten it instead of the manual.
Any input?
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And then we have this post by Datawiz. It really comes down to the skill of the driver to determine which is faster.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...Paddle+Shifter
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...Paddle+Shifter
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Originally Posted by Brett Hunter
Regardless of the DA at each track the A6 currently holds the record.
However as you can see by the corrected times below the M6 should be faster.
A6
Based on:
Temp: 33°
Humidity: 34%
Track Altitude: 33 feet
Pressure: 30.44 in.
Density Altitude = -2295 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.215 @ 115.45
Corrected 12.46 @ 113.17
M6
Based on:
Temp: 59°
Humidity: 27%
Track Altitude: 10 feet
Pressure: 30.29 in.
Density Altitude = -349 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.235 @ 115.58
Corrected 12.28 @ 115.19
Edited for better weather station for Atco.
However as you can see by the corrected times below the M6 should be faster.
A6
Based on:
Temp: 33°
Humidity: 34%
Track Altitude: 33 feet
Pressure: 30.44 in.
Density Altitude = -2295 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.215 @ 115.45
Corrected 12.46 @ 113.17
M6
Based on:
Temp: 59°
Humidity: 27%
Track Altitude: 10 feet
Pressure: 30.29 in.
Density Altitude = -349 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.235 @ 115.58
Corrected 12.28 @ 115.19
Edited for better weather station for Atco.
The A6 currently holds the quickest reported quarter mile time.Coincidentally I did the exact same calculations right after I asked that question using the exact same numbers in one calculation and using data from accuweather in another and the DA s come in at a very close to, and right on to what you have.
Interestingly the A6 time that you come up with in your calculation, 12.46 @ 113.17 is about the same as that driver's initial reported best of 12.48@112.11 on the same track back in March of '06.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1340004
Of the top two on that list in the gentleman from TN post, the 12.21 was run in no more than 39.9* weather according to the times on the slip and weather information from two nearby stations. the 12.23 was run in at least 55* weather according to the drivers statement and the times on his slip and temps in the area at the time of the run.
Last edited by '06 Quicksilver Z06; Dec 10, 2006 at 01:26 PM.
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I bought the manual, purely because I love driving a stick. I knew I would be giving up the edge on the track, but then again, Im on the street A LOT more than the track. So, besides track times, the control you feel with a clutch and a shifter is just to cool.
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Originally Posted by Brett Hunter
However as you can see by the corrected times below the M6 should be faster.
A6
Based on:
Temp: 33°
Humidity: 34%
Track Altitude: 33 feet
Pressure: 30.44 in.
Density Altitude = -2295 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.215 @ 115.45
Corrected 12.46 @ 113.17
M6
Based on:
Temp: 59°
Humidity: 27%
Track Altitude: 10 feet
Pressure: 30.29 in.
Density Altitude = -349 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.235 @ 115.58
Corrected 12.28 @ 115.19
A6
Based on:
Temp: 33°
Humidity: 34%
Track Altitude: 33 feet
Pressure: 30.44 in.
Density Altitude = -2295 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.215 @ 115.45
Corrected 12.46 @ 113.17
M6
Based on:
Temp: 59°
Humidity: 27%
Track Altitude: 10 feet
Pressure: 30.29 in.
Density Altitude = -349 feet ET MPH
Uncorrected 12.235 @ 115.58
Corrected 12.28 @ 115.19
Originally Posted by 06C6FVR
I have also said that weather and altitude play a HUGE role in affecting 1/4 mile times and power. I dont remember the exact DA on the 12.2 run, but I know it was in the negative range...i think somewhere around -1300. The track prep also plays a large role in your times, as if i wasnt spinning mostly through 2nd, i probably would have gotten some better times too. Thanks dennis, i did this for my own information just to see how much affect the altitude plays on the times. I will post results as i get them, good or bad. We can all learn something from the rest of us. that is what is great about the forum
Daren
Daren
Also, how about wheelspin, sixty foot, wind conditions etc, do these corrections factor ALL of that in as well?
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St. Jude Donor '06-13,'16-'17, '19
Originally Posted by TMyers
It really comes down to the skill of the driver to determine which is faster.
Tom
Last edited by TCW; Dec 10, 2006 at 05:46 PM.
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LS1LT1, you better watch out around every corner. There are going to a bunch of teenage girls driving the old technology manually shifted transmissions (i.e. the junk MN6 or MZ6) trying to beat your time. It must hurt these jealous people terribly when they realized that they could have bought the fastest tranny if they had just been willing to spend another $1000.
LS1LT1, you and your A6 are the KING OF THE HILL!
LS1LT1, you and your A6 are the KING OF THE HILL!
Last edited by glennhl; Dec 10, 2006 at 11:35 PM.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Originally Posted by JimTN
Tell me what "so much faster" means. The list of forum members times does not seem to agree with your statement.
Showroom Stock
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1- 06 A6 *
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6
12.49 @ 114.90 - Jschindler - 05 Z51 M6
12.53 @ 113.00 - Wicked07C6 - 07 Z51 M6
12.54 @ 113.74 - Tony96LT4 - 06 Z51 A6
* new time set just yesterday
BTW, here's the link, complete with time slips.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1570049
Showroom Stock
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1- 06 A6 *
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6
12.49 @ 114.90 - Jschindler - 05 Z51 M6
12.53 @ 113.00 - Wicked07C6 - 07 Z51 M6
12.54 @ 113.74 - Tony96LT4 - 06 Z51 A6
* new time set just yesterday
BTW, here's the link, complete with time slips.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1570049
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Originally Posted by glennhl
The A6 is NOW faster than the M6. That sucks for all the poor guys that made the mistake and bought the older technology transmission!
Yeah I guess if they ran them stock you may have a point.
Poor guys...LOL.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Originally Posted by crabman
Rabble-rouser.
On a serious side now.....how much power do you think the A6 can handle before imploding?....now that is rabble rousing.