Anyone running short tube headers?
Le Mans Master
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: Vail, Arizona
I'm thinking about running shorties too. The main reason is to keep the car "legal". I dont want to have to be jumping through hoops when it comes time to do the emissions test down the road. I think they're only good for about 10 h.p. but what the hell. 10 more is 10 more no matter how you look at it. The major draw back is the cost of the shorties ($1300 ????).
It will be interesting to hear from some of those who have long tube headers when the time comes to have their car smogged. Here in Az. we're good to go for the first 5 years, then it's yearly inspections. I dont mind wrenching on my car, but I wouldnt want to have to do that every year!!!!
How about some of you California guys chime in here about your experiences with this?
It will be interesting to hear from some of those who have long tube headers when the time comes to have their car smogged. Here in Az. we're good to go for the first 5 years, then it's yearly inspections. I dont mind wrenching on my car, but I wouldnt want to have to do that every year!!!!
How about some of you California guys chime in here about your experiences with this?
Team Owner
Joined: Oct 2004
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From: San Clemente CA
I'm thinking about running shorties too. The main reason is to keep the car "legal". I dont want to have to be jumping through hoops when it comes time to do the emissions test down the road. I think they're only good for about 10 h.p. but what the hell. 10 more is 10 more no matter how you look at it. The major draw back is the cost of the shorties ($1300 ????).
It will be interesting to hear from some of those who have long tube headers when the time comes to have their car smogged. Here in Az. we're good to go for the first 5 years, then it's yearly inspections. I dont mind wrenching on my car, but I wouldnt want to have to do that every year!!!!
How about some of you California guys chime in here about your experiences with this?
It will be interesting to hear from some of those who have long tube headers when the time comes to have their car smogged. Here in Az. we're good to go for the first 5 years, then it's yearly inspections. I dont mind wrenching on my car, but I wouldnt want to have to do that every year!!!!
How about some of you California guys chime in here about your experiences with this?
Drifting
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 1,651
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From: laguna niguel ca
To answer your question is anybody running them?? I would say NO.
Reason; there no better than the exhaust manifolds you have on your car now. No matter what Callaway or JBA say, shorties just lighten your wallet, nothing else. Inorder for a header to improve performance the primary tube length needs to be in the 26-32 inch length. Example, kooks primaries are 26 inches, they have a large long 3 inch collector with a pickle fork in the center to maintain exhaust flow, LG's has true 32 primaries with small merge collectors. They both accomplish the same thing just arrive there using different technologies. Shorties have no length hench no improvement in performance. There's more, but that's it in a nut shell. Save your money for long tubes, or keep what you have.
andreas g.
Reason; there no better than the exhaust manifolds you have on your car now. No matter what Callaway or JBA say, shorties just lighten your wallet, nothing else. Inorder for a header to improve performance the primary tube length needs to be in the 26-32 inch length. Example, kooks primaries are 26 inches, they have a large long 3 inch collector with a pickle fork in the center to maintain exhaust flow, LG's has true 32 primaries with small merge collectors. They both accomplish the same thing just arrive there using different technologies. Shorties have no length hench no improvement in performance. There's more, but that's it in a nut shell. Save your money for long tubes, or keep what you have.
andreas g.
Former Vendor
Joined: Aug 2005
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From: Loganville GA
Fortunately for us in Georgia, the smog check only checks to see if your check engine light is on now, at least thats the last I've heard. I've lived here 10 years now and never had a car that was over 3yrs old, except my 73 Datsun, which is exempt. I will be keeping the C6 past the 3 year point though.
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Drifting
Joined: Jul 2003
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From: Annandale VA
Although shorties do not provide nearly the benefit that long-tube headers do, they do provide some benefit. I ran them on a Camaro SS that dynoed at 312 HP bone stock. Using Edelbrock shorties, OEM cats & exhaust, underdrive pulley, ported TB, and an aluminum clutch/flywheel combo, it dynoed at 360 HP. Later I added a 218/224 cam (.550" lift), & got 381 HP. The car ran a 12.58 at 112 MPH, on Michelin Pilots.
Because of the short tube length, I know I left a lot of mid-range TQ on the table. But the headers did help.
Because of the short tube length, I know I left a lot of mid-range TQ on the table. But the headers did help.
Racer
Joined: Jan 2007
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before discounting them entirely...lets see the dyno...sure they will not give the low/midrange power a long tube will provide but Katechs Hot Rod article a couple years back revealed even some power left on the table on an LS2 motor by changing out the LS2 exhaust manifold for the LS6!
Race Director
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: Missouri City Texas
Stock manifolds are not a performance piece by any means...they are easily improved upon.
Are the short tubes primaries larger?
And what are the length of the primaries as compared to the stock manifolds?
Are the short tubes primaries larger?
And what are the length of the primaries as compared to the stock manifolds?
Race Director
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: Missouri City Texas
Le Mans Master
Joined: Oct 2000
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From: Sausalito CA
i RUN THE CALLAWAY SHORTIES. tHEY ARE MUCH LIGHTER THAN THE oem MANIFOLDS AND they do add to the tone of the vehicle. If they added HP, its is not felt in the seat of the pants. They also look fantastic when I open my hood. Installed them my self. No codes, yet ut took a while to figure out the shape of the spark plugs wires (just buy Callaway's to ease the issue) and I added Cool Socks to protect said wires.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Feb 2005
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From: Branford Connecticut
Callaway engineers measured 8 to 10 bhp increase with our headers on stock LS2 cars with stock exhaust. These headers have been discontinued, however. At $1,350.00 per set, Retail, we believed that the horsepower-per-dollar ratio was insufficient to support continuing to offer this product.
Drifting
Joined: Nov 2002
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From: laguna niguel ca
I comend Callaway for steping up...
Lets see, 8-10 bhp is 6-8 rwhp for how much $1300.00. Callaway just moved up a few notches in class by admitting that this endever was not worth the gains. Shorties never are. Oh well on to the next project.