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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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c6 a6 w/ maggie or 08 c6 z51 m6 w/ cam n headers, which would be quicker in a dragrace? assuming good traction n driving, what kinda times do y'all think they'd run in the 1/4?
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 09:07 PM
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I am a Maggie guy! lol.. so I'll say the Maggie
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Which would win in a bar fight, a saber tooth tiger, or a giant squid?

Seriously, do a search. Good headers will give you 20+ HP, and a cam only can give you 40.

Maggie can give you about the same.

Basically, this tells you absolutely nothing.

If your only interest is drag racing, don't get a Maggie.
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Old Oct 3, 2007 | 09:42 PM
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y not get the maggie for dragracing? I'm not only interested in that n was actually worried the maggie would make too much low end torque to be effectively put down at auto crossing, but that's another can of worms...
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I'm not saying that a Maggie will not benefit you at the track --- any power adder is going to help. But the beauty of the Maggie, or any positive displacement supercharger, is the increase in TQ at lower RPMs. This is very beneficial on the street.

The tradeoff is on the top end. The blower case on the Maggie is only about 140 cubic inches, so it will only pass a certain amount of air, limiting peak HP.

I have never autocrossed, but I would think that a Maggie would be perfect, as it benefits part-throttle response. I can see where wheelspin could be a problem.
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The maggie definitely makes more power (130+hp to the rear wheels....gobs of low end torque), but putting it to the ground is not so easy. I've seen maggie cars run high 10s low 11s at big mph (on slicks). I could be wrong, but I haven't seen a head and cam package quite that fast. If I were building a drag car, I would probably go with a centrifugal supercharger.....high peak hp....easier to put to the ground. The maggie sure is alot of fun to drive though.
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I agree with Steve{Bushong572}!!
I have a Maggie as well and can say My Vette should "DEFINETLY" kick *** on a H/C Vette!!
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The Maggie car will be more fun to drive. Just do the cam,headers, and the Maggie and you will have a beast.
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Originally Posted by HITMAN99
Which would win in a bar fight, a saber tooth tiger, or a giant squid?

Seriously, do a search. Good headers will give you 20+ HP, and a cam only can give you 40.

Maggie can give you about the same.

Basically, this tells you absolutely nothing.

If your only interest is drag racing, don't get a Maggie.
Only 60rwhp from cam and headers? We've gotten as much as 90rwhp out of a LS6 with only a cam and headers.......God knows what a good sized cam in an LS3 will do.
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Originally Posted by Bushong572
The maggie definitely makes more power (130+hp to the rear wheels....gobs of low end torque), but putting it to the ground is not so easy. I've seen maggie cars run high 10s low 11s at big mph (on slicks). I could be wrong, but I haven't seen a head and cam package quite that fast. If I were building a drag car, I would probably go with a centrifugal supercharger.....high peak hp....easier to put to the ground. The maggie sure is alot of fun to drive though.
I agree except for the 1/4 stuff. Low 11's for a s/c car is not that impressive. I also know of several c6 h/c cars in the 10's
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Originally Posted by PRE-Z06
c6 a6 w/ maggie or 08 c6 z51 m6 w/ cam n headers, which would be quicker in a dragrace? assuming good traction n driving, what kinda times do y'all think they'd run in the 1/4?
Driven right on the strip the maggie should win easily. But the maggie will be harder to drive/harder on the clutch which may level the playing field if the maggie driver is inexperienced or doesn't track his/her car alot.

And TIRES will also make a big difference. Are we talkin street tires or slicks?
In good air with tires/clutch:
I would guess an 08 with a Maggie should be good for 10.50 and better.
I would guess an 08 with cam/headers should be good for 10.90's.
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My vote would be the Maggie. I got the chance to drive in a Vette the other day with a Maggie, Long Tubes, and Exhaust...boy was it fast!! Plus, the sound and the instant power is insane!!

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I know it's benchracing, but thanks for the replies...never riden in a supercharged vette, anybody in the dfw area w/ a maggie powered vette like to take me for a ride?
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Originally Posted by Tuner@Straightline
Only 60rwhp from cam and headers? We've gotten as much as 90rwhp out of a LS6 with only a cam and headers.......God knows what a good sized cam in an LS3 will do.
True dat, especially if the car is used primarily for racing. Most of the guys I know are getting closer to 60 HP than 90 HP --- that's on an LS2.

Have to admit I didn't notice he was talking about an LS3.
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thanks, I haven't been by their shop yet...they're not far from my work, I'll check w/ them
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My vote would be the Maggie. I got the chance to drive in a Vette the other day with a Maggie, Long Tubes, and Exhaust...boy was it fast!! Plus, the sound and the instant power is insane!!

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The Maggie car will be more fun to drive. Just do the cam,headers, and the Maggie and you will have a beast.
i have driven a roots style blower car as well as the same car in a head/cam with supporting mods, and in no way is the blower more fun to drive. and i dont think you would say it was if you have driven both n/a and car with a power-adder

hell i would just sit there at the light with cammed car and people would ask me whats in it or say wow badass ride! that to me is one of the best things about driving.
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Originally Posted by Bushong572
The maggie definitely makes more power (130+hp to the rear wheels....gobs of low end torque), but putting it to the ground is not so easy. I've seen maggie cars run high 10s low 11s at big mph (on slicks). I could be wrong, but I haven't seen a head and cam package quite that fast. If I were building a drag car, I would probably go with a centrifugal supercharger.....high peak hp....easier to put to the ground. The maggie sure is alot of fun to drive though.
One of Cartek's 440rwhp manual transmission geared H/C car with a stock bottom end ran 10.85, 10.84, and 10.86 for three back to back runs.....C6.

On a C5 I saw a 10.6 with a Mag.
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Also there isnt a mag available for the L92 ported 2008 although I dont think he meant the mag for a 2008.
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