C6 1/4 Mile Performance Challenge
Race Director
Joined: Mar 2005
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From: Southampton NJ
TOMMY D 
I hope your not giving up on the fine job you have done. I don't think anyone could due half the job as you have. It takes a lot of dedication to read over 600 posts. Thank you for a great job
I hope your not giving up on the fine job you have done. I don't think anyone could due half the job as you have. It takes a lot of dedication to read over 600 posts. Thank you for a great job
Team Owner
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 27,254
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From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by Cucchiara
How about aftermarket plugs and wires and other tune up type stuff, still stock? Tires other than runcraps? Drop in K&N filters?
K&N replacement/drop in filters, though they might offer some minute air flow gains, are still just another replacement for a normal wear/maintenance item so IMO they shouldn't really be treated any differently than if going with a FRAM paper instead of an AC filter.
Tires, as I'd mentioned earlier, are such a seriously 'grey area'. One can go with a 160 treadwear 'non drag radial/non runflat' street tire and have a measurable advantage over the guy with Goodyear F1 runflat street tires yet both are still running what most will consider full treaded street tires. Even staying with a runflat but just going to a better/stickier one from say Michelin, BFG or Pirelli could offer better sixty foots...tough call on the 'still stock' issue there.
Safety Car
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,698
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From: Houston TX
Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I don't believe that plugs and/or wires (I would only replace stock wires with fresh OEM AC Delco wires anyway) are outside the realm of 'stock'.
K&N replacement/drop in filters, though they might offer some minute air flow gains, are still just another replacement for a normal wear/maintenance item so IMO they shouldn't really be treated any differently than if going with a FRAM paper instead of an AC filter.
Tires, as I'd mentioned earlier, are such a seriously 'grey area'. One can go with a 160 treadwear 'non drag radial/non runflat' street tire and have a measurable advantage over the guy with Goodyear F1 runflat street tires yet both are still running what most will consider full treaded street tires. Even staying with a runflat but just going to a better/stickier one from say Michelin, BFG or Pirelli could offer better sixty foots...tough call on the 'still stock' issue there.
K&N replacement/drop in filters, though they might offer some minute air flow gains, are still just another replacement for a normal wear/maintenance item so IMO they shouldn't really be treated any differently than if going with a FRAM paper instead of an AC filter.
Tires, as I'd mentioned earlier, are such a seriously 'grey area'. One can go with a 160 treadwear 'non drag radial/non runflat' street tire and have a measurable advantage over the guy with Goodyear F1 runflat street tires yet both are still running what most will consider full treaded street tires. Even staying with a runflat but just going to a better/stickier one from say Michelin, BFG or Pirelli could offer better sixty foots...tough call on the 'still stock' issue there.
Safety Car
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,698
Likes: 107
From: Houston TX
Originally Posted by Cucchiara
What about being on the list more than once, Iam already on there twice as are others....
Its just good comparitive info based on modifications. But, if you improve on your current listed combo, then yes that old record is removed and you move up the list.
Instructor
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 206
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Originally Posted by NineBall
I think as long as you aren't doing any "performance enhancing" mods to the car, its still stock. This goes for anything that enchances HP or traction performance. Tires enhance performance, but I'd think the car should stay in the showroom stock list but have the tires noted.
Drifting
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,753
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From: Fresno CA
Originally Posted by NineBall
I think its fine to be listed in more than one area as long as it is within different classifications. Consider this as a database of reported track times. Stock cars, then you modify them, then you go forced induction, haha.
Its just good comparitive info based on modifications. But, if you improve on your current listed combo, then yes that old record is removed and you move up the list.
Its just good comparitive info based on modifications. But, if you improve on your current listed combo, then yes that old record is removed and you move up the list.
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Safety Car
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,698
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From: Houston TX
Originally Posted by Tightwad
No Cam Only Cars?
Gene
Gene
To most of the diehard racers, "cam-only" means "too cheap to buy heads"
Team Owner
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 27,254
Likes: 136
From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by NineBall
ugggh. I hate cam-only classification. Only the LS1 guys (in the entire racing world) feel this is a separate class of cars. 99.99% of the rest of the racing world views anything touched inside of the valvecovers as "internally modified".
To most of the diehard racers, "cam-only" means "too cheap to buy heads"
To most of the diehard racers, "cam-only" means "too cheap to buy heads"
Drifting
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,753
Likes: 2
From: Fresno CA
I agree with pretty much everything said, I personally dont think tires need to be mentioned untill they are DR's or other drag tires. The Z51 guys have an advantage with the Supercar tires, no big deal. If I had PS2's I would still be running my DR's for my best times.Pretty soon when these cars get some miles on them most guys wont have runflats anyway.
So for the record, in stock class these are ok-
Normal wear and tear items...
Plugs
wires
T Stat
Drop in air filters in stock box
regular street,non DR tires
cooling fan switches
Fluid additives, brake fluid, oil add, etc...
So for the record, in stock class these are ok-
Normal wear and tear items...
Plugs
wires
T Stat
Drop in air filters in stock box
regular street,non DR tires
cooling fan switches
Fluid additives, brake fluid, oil add, etc...
Safety Car
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,698
Likes: 107
From: Houston TX
Originally Posted by Cucchiara
I agree with pretty much everything said, I personally dont think tires need to be mentioned untill they are DR's or other drag tires. The Z51 guys have an advantage with the Supercar tires, no big deal. If I had PS2's I would still be running my DR's for my best times.Pretty soon when these cars get some miles on them most guys wont have runflats anyway.
So for the record, in stock class these are ok-
Normal wear and tear items...
Plugs
wires
T Stat
Drop in air filters in stock box
regular street,non DR tires
cooling fan switches
Fluid additives, brake fluid, oil add, etc...
So for the record, in stock class these are ok-
Normal wear and tear items...
Plugs
wires
T Stat
Drop in air filters in stock box
regular street,non DR tires
cooling fan switches
Fluid additives, brake fluid, oil add, etc...
Instructor
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 120
Likes: 0
From: Oceanside CA
1/4 mile BS
I hate to sound like a broken record but a few days ago I posted this on a discussion of GT500 vs. Corvette
"Aren't we doing the same old thing - comparing different cars, on different tracks, in different weather, with different drivers, then looking for as little .1 second or 1 MPH to prove which car is faster"
This type of comparison is almost useless as a way to find out who actually has the fastest car!
"Aren't we doing the same old thing - comparing different cars, on different tracks, in different weather, with different drivers, then looking for as little .1 second or 1 MPH to prove which car is faster"
This type of comparison is almost useless as a way to find out who actually has the fastest car!
Drifting
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,753
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From: Fresno CA
Iam not looking at this list to see who has the fastest car, I like to see how fast some guy have gone with certain mods or no mods. I also like to see what cars with like mods have done in the qtr. If you look at most of the posts this is what these guys are looking at, no pissing matches about who is the fastest here, at least not yet?
Matt
Matt
Safety Car
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,698
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From: Houston TX
This isn't about finding the fastest car. Its about keeping records of results posted by members based on specific combinations. If it were about finding the fastest, then the times would have to be corrected for weather and altitude conditions, all parts would have to be verified, and videos/timeslips would have to be provided.
No thanks.
I think this listing serves as a good way for other Corvette owners to gauge the potential performance based on modifications done. I'm sure someone will post up results that seem ridiculous, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to believe them
No thanks.
I think this listing serves as a good way for other Corvette owners to gauge the potential performance based on modifications done. I'm sure someone will post up results that seem ridiculous, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to believe them
Team Owner
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 27,254
Likes: 136
From: Short Hills, NJ
Originally Posted by Cucchiara
I am not looking at this list to see who has the fastest car, I like to see how fast some guy have gone with certain mods or no mods. I also like to see what cars with like mods have done in the qtr. If you look at most of the posts this is what these guys are looking at, no pissing matches about who is the fastest here.
Obviously weather/air conditions, track location and driver skill will play a huge role in the time/speed differences, this is just a basic overview type list.
Team Owner
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 26,714
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From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by NineBall
This isn't about finding the fastest car. Its about keeping records of results posted by members based on specific combinations. If it were about finding the fastest, then the times would have to be corrected for weather and altitude conditions, all parts would have to be verified, and videos/timeslips would have to be provided.
No thanks.
I think this listing serves as a good way for other Corvette owners to gauge the potential performance based on modifications done. I'm sure someone will post up results that seem ridiculous, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to believe them
No thanks.
I think this listing serves as a good way for other Corvette owners to gauge the potential performance based on modifications done. I'm sure someone will post up results that seem ridiculous, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to believe them
Eccentric Member
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 25,508
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From: Like Anyone Could Even Know That! Florida
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Originally Posted by NineBall
This isn't about finding the fastest car. Its about keeping records of results posted by members based on specific combinations. If it were about finding the fastest, then the times would have to be corrected for weather and altitude conditions, all parts would have to be verified, and videos/timeslips would have to be provided.
No thanks.
I think this listing serves as a good way for other Corvette owners to gauge the potential performance based on modifications done. I'm sure someone will post up results that seem ridiculous, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to believe them
No thanks.
I think this listing serves as a good way for other Corvette owners to gauge the potential performance based on modifications done. I'm sure someone will post up results that seem ridiculous, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to believe them