C6 1/4 Mile Performance Challenge
Melting Slicks
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From: Vacaville California
Originally Posted by jschindler
I'm not going to give out names, because that's not my place. But friend of mine bought a new Z51 six speed coupe a few weeks ago. He ran a 12.9 at 112. The catch is that he has not owned a manual transmission vehicle in something like 10 years (and that was a pickup truck). He has never drag raced a manual car at all, and the weather conditions were not that good.
My point is that these cars are definitely running better than some folks think they are.
My point is that these cars are definitely running better than some folks think they are.
this is my FIRST car that is a manual
I have driven sticks before but just occasionally
My first trip down the track was 12.9 @113 stock
It makes me wonder who is driving these other cars? And how they are driving them
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Originally Posted by rmitchell242
this is my FIRST car that is a manual
I have driven sticks before but just occasionally
My first trip down the track was 12.9 @113 stock
It makes me wonder who is driving these other cars? And how they are driving them
I have driven sticks before but just occasionally
My first trip down the track was 12.9 @113 stock
It makes me wonder who is driving these other cars? And how they are driving them
Kind of like golf - I have read that a very large % of golfers have never broken 100 (I'm one of them, btw). Must be the clubs
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From: Like Anyone Could Even Know That! Florida
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Originally Posted by jschindler
There seems to be a notion that if you go to a dragstrip, and see "someone" (who you don't even know) run a XX.X time, then that's how fast the car is! People don't realize that drag racing is like any other sport. There are a handful of really good drivers, a couple of handfuls of pretty good drivers, and a whole lot of pretty so-so drivers.
Kind of like golf - I have read that a very large % of golfers have never broken 100 (I'm one of them, btw). Must be the clubs
Kind of like golf - I have read that a very large % of golfers have never broken 100 (I'm one of them, btw). Must be the clubs
And if we could just get folks to list ALL the info:
Temp(*F):
Humidity(%):
Track Alt.(ft.):
Pressure(in.):
ET:
Trap Speed(mph):
Then the info would have more comparative value.
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From: Monroe Township New Jersey
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Originally Posted by 1955 BelAir
And if we could just get folks to list ALL the info:
Temp(*F):
Humidity(%):
Track Alt.(ft.):
Pressure(in.):
ET:
Trap Speed(mph):
Then the info would have more comparative value.
BTW
Onyasix went 12.71 @ 111.86 with a 2006 A6 I asked for his correct 60 ft time....... still waiting. I hope to get one more trip to the track E Town before it closes Nov 20th.
I have been speaking with Zippin Z (he started the thread I'm only doing the record keeping) regarding making a it a sticky or FAQ with the following info:
Car & options
Date
Race Track & State
Temperature
Relative Humidity
Absolute Barometer
Rear tire pressure
Front tire pressure
Launch technique
60ft
330
1/8
MPH
1000
¼
MPH
You can PM him with your suggestions
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From: Monroe Township New Jersey
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Originally Posted by jschindler
My point is that these cars are definitely running better than some folks think they are.
I was one of those guys who at first thought the C6 couldn't get out of its own way. Part of my problem was that I was used to driving a materially faster car. Another part of my problem, was getting used to driving the car and feeling comfortable. Finally, at the August 6th show and go at Englishtown I saw many bone stock C6's run very slow quarter mile times.
Now after driving my C6 for a while and three trips to the track I am very confident that I can get my C6 to go 12.7 or better
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Not sure if ya'll are interested in G-tech times but here are a few
86 degrees
68 degree dewpoint
30.02 pressure
350' elevation
1st run:
60' 2.389
0-60 mph 4.976
330' 5.920
1/8 mile 8.712 @ 91.15
1000' 11.057
1/4 mile 13.026 @ 114.83
2nd run TC off:
60' 2.154
0-60 mph 4.314
330' 5.519
1/8 mile 8.253
1000' 10.568
1/4 mile 12.515 @ 116.13
3rd run TC and AH off:
60' 2.149
0-60 mph 4.221
330' 5.481
1/8 mile 8.190 @ 93.52
1000' 10.483
1/4 mile 12.412 @ 117.19
86 degrees
68 degree dewpoint
30.02 pressure
350' elevation
1st run:
60' 2.389
0-60 mph 4.976
330' 5.920
1/8 mile 8.712 @ 91.15
1000' 11.057
1/4 mile 13.026 @ 114.83
2nd run TC off:
60' 2.154
0-60 mph 4.314
330' 5.519
1/8 mile 8.253
1000' 10.568
1/4 mile 12.515 @ 116.13
3rd run TC and AH off:
60' 2.149
0-60 mph 4.221
330' 5.481
1/8 mile 8.190 @ 93.52
1000' 10.483
1/4 mile 12.412 @ 117.19
Last edited by Brett Hunter; Nov 16, 2005 at 01:03 AM.
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Wow this ones still goin....I just look at it like this...
C5....3200-3300 pounds...350 Hp....13.0-13.4 average best
C6....3200-3300 pounds...400 Hp....12.7-13.1 average best
ONLY ADVANTAGE C6 HAS IS 40 RWHP OVER C5....OR 4 TENTHS THROUGH 1/4 MILE
C5Z06....3050-3150 pounds....405 rwhp....12.4-12.8 average best
Has 150 pound weight advantage...Or 1.5 tenths...50 rwhp over c5...Or 5 tenths...For a total of 6.5 tenths..
So typical a C6 will be 4 tenths quicker than a C5
And a C5 Zo6 will be 2.5 tenths quicker than a C6
THE C6 IS STEPPIN UP..I HAVE SEEN HIGH 12 SECOND 1/4 MILE PASSES ALL OVER THE INTERNET FOR THE C6 IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS.
THERES STILL A LOT OF THEM IN THE LOW 13'S...BUT REALISTICALY A LOW 13 IS A GOOD TIME FOR A C5.....SO LOW 13'S ISNT A BAD THING.
C5....3200-3300 pounds...350 Hp....13.0-13.4 average best
C6....3200-3300 pounds...400 Hp....12.7-13.1 average best
ONLY ADVANTAGE C6 HAS IS 40 RWHP OVER C5....OR 4 TENTHS THROUGH 1/4 MILE
C5Z06....3050-3150 pounds....405 rwhp....12.4-12.8 average best
Has 150 pound weight advantage...Or 1.5 tenths...50 rwhp over c5...Or 5 tenths...For a total of 6.5 tenths..
So typical a C6 will be 4 tenths quicker than a C5
And a C5 Zo6 will be 2.5 tenths quicker than a C6
THE C6 IS STEPPIN UP..I HAVE SEEN HIGH 12 SECOND 1/4 MILE PASSES ALL OVER THE INTERNET FOR THE C6 IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS.
THERES STILL A LOT OF THEM IN THE LOW 13'S...BUT REALISTICALY A LOW 13 IS A GOOD TIME FOR A C5.....SO LOW 13'S ISNT A BAD THING.
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Originally Posted by Brett Hunter
Not sure if ya'll are interested in G-tech times but here are a few
86 degrees
68 degree dewpoint
30.02 pressure
350' elevation
1st run:
60' 2.389
0-60 mph 4.976
330' 5.920
1/8 mile 8.712 @ 91.15
1000' 11.057
1/4 mile 13.026 @ 114.83
2nd run TC off:
60' 2.154
0-60 mph 4.314
330' 5.519
1/8 mile 8.253
1000' 10.568
1/4 mile 12.515 @ 116.13
3rd run TC and AH off:
60' 2.149
0-60 mph 4.221
330' 5.481
1/8 mile 8.190 @ 93.52
1000' 10.483
1/4 mile 12.412 @ 117.19
86 degrees
68 degree dewpoint
30.02 pressure
350' elevation
1st run:
60' 2.389
0-60 mph 4.976
330' 5.920
1/8 mile 8.712 @ 91.15
1000' 11.057
1/4 mile 13.026 @ 114.83
2nd run TC off:
60' 2.154
0-60 mph 4.314
330' 5.519
1/8 mile 8.253
1000' 10.568
1/4 mile 12.515 @ 116.13
3rd run TC and AH off:
60' 2.149
0-60 mph 4.221
330' 5.481
1/8 mile 8.190 @ 93.52
1000' 10.483
1/4 mile 12.412 @ 117.19
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Originally Posted by CTVette05
What are the specs on this C6? Auto or manual. What mods?
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Originally Posted by jdwk
I have driven a manual my entire life, nothing but, starting with a 3spd 1980 F100. My car traps at 106mph, John Force is not going to get it to 111mph, and certainly not the upper teens that some people are claiming.
Not to mention I beat another C6. The kooks, blackwing, and tuned C6 trapped at 111mph several times in a row, and it was by no means his first time on the track.
On Dec 2nd, I'll be out again. I'll put high octane in a few days before and reset the PCM. It'll be in the 60's, maybe the high 50's, so temps won't be a problem. I'll be at 1200' still but I will have 0 humidity.
If I am still trapping at 106mph, I'll hand the keys over to one of the seasoned Vette racers there, but I honestly doubt they'll be able to do much better at least as far as trap speed goes.
Not to mention I beat another C6. The kooks, blackwing, and tuned C6 trapped at 111mph several times in a row, and it was by no means his first time on the track.
On Dec 2nd, I'll be out again. I'll put high octane in a few days before and reset the PCM. It'll be in the 60's, maybe the high 50's, so temps won't be a problem. I'll be at 1200' still but I will have 0 humidity.
If I am still trapping at 106mph, I'll hand the keys over to one of the seasoned Vette racers there, but I honestly doubt they'll be able to do much better at least as far as trap speed goes.
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From: Monroe Township New Jersey
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Originally Posted by jdwk
I have driven a manual my entire life, nothing but, starting with a 3spd 1980 F100. My car traps at 106mph, John Force is not going to get it to 111mph, and certainly not the upper teens that some people are claiming.
Not to mention I beat another C6. The kooks, blackwing, and tuned C6 trapped at 111mph several times in a row, and it was by no means his first time on the track.
On Dec 2nd, I'll be out again. I'll put high octane in a few days before and reset the PCM. It'll be in the 60's, maybe the high 50's, so temps won't be a problem. I'll be at 1200' still but I will have 0 humidity.
If I am still trapping at 106mph, I'll hand the keys over to one of the seasoned Vette racers there, but I honestly doubt they'll be able to do much better at least as far as trap speed goes.
Not to mention I beat another C6. The kooks, blackwing, and tuned C6 trapped at 111mph several times in a row, and it was by no means his first time on the track.
On Dec 2nd, I'll be out again. I'll put high octane in a few days before and reset the PCM. It'll be in the 60's, maybe the high 50's, so temps won't be a problem. I'll be at 1200' still but I will have 0 humidity.
If I am still trapping at 106mph, I'll hand the keys over to one of the seasoned Vette racers there, but I honestly doubt they'll be able to do much better at least as far as trap speed goes.
Don't be so quick with the keys! My trap speed was 106 in 83 degree heat and 109.4 on a 55 degree night. Good luck
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From: Vacaville California
Originally Posted by jdwk
I have driven a manual my entire life, nothing but, starting with a 3spd 1980 F100. My car traps at 106mph, John Force is not going to get it to 111mph, and certainly not the upper teens that some people are claiming.
Not to mention I beat another C6. The kooks, blackwing, and tuned C6 trapped at 111mph several times in a row, and it was by no means his first time on the track.
On Dec 2nd, I'll be out again. I'll put high octane in a few days before and reset the PCM. It'll be in the 60's, maybe the high 50's, so temps won't be a problem. I'll be at 1200' still but I will have 0 humidity.
If I am still trapping at 106mph, I'll hand the keys over to one of the seasoned Vette racers there, but I honestly doubt they'll be able to do much better at least as far as trap speed goes.
Not to mention I beat another C6. The kooks, blackwing, and tuned C6 trapped at 111mph several times in a row, and it was by no means his first time on the track.
On Dec 2nd, I'll be out again. I'll put high octane in a few days before and reset the PCM. It'll be in the 60's, maybe the high 50's, so temps won't be a problem. I'll be at 1200' still but I will have 0 humidity.
If I am still trapping at 106mph, I'll hand the keys over to one of the seasoned Vette racers there, but I honestly doubt they'll be able to do much better at least as far as trap speed goes.
haha john force would probably drive a c6 stick about 13.50
but i drove mine 113mph at sac raceway it was in the 80's doubt it if you must
yet 106 is pretty slow so it may not be you your car might be a turd
can u shift fast? or r u takin a week between gears
oh yeah and if u were smokin a c6 with those mods and u were stock then i can only make 1 conclusion he is a real bad driver cuz he should be putting down high 370 rwp maybe 380's
Last edited by rmitchell242; Nov 16, 2005 at 11:00 PM.
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From: stafford country, va. Avatar: Me on turn 3 @ Bristol (The World's Fastest Half-Mile)
Originally Posted by Brett Hunter
Not sure if ya'll are interested in G-tech times but here are a few
1st run:
60' 2.389
0-60 mph 4.976
2nd run TC off:
60' 2.154
0-60 mph 4.314
3rd run TC and AH off:
60' 2.149
0-60 mph 4.221
1st run:
60' 2.389
0-60 mph 4.976
2nd run TC off:
60' 2.154
0-60 mph 4.314
3rd run TC and AH off:
60' 2.149
0-60 mph 4.221
I recently picked up a G-Tech Pro RR, I'm still trying to figure this darn thing out. The road racer mode doesn't make much sense to me but I'm sure it's in there for a reason, well anyhow. I'm suspecting something ain't completely correct since my best 0-60 according to the G-Tech Pro RR (mounted to the windshield) is an unbelieveable,
60'=1.830
60 mph=3.225
vehicle weight=3344
max power=353.8 @ 6482
max trq=407.9 @ 3615
so my question is, how accurate is the g-tech ? what do i need to do to make sure this thing is accurate ? It's kinda hard to believe these times, especially without any juice, slicks, turbo, supercharger, or any major mods beyond the standard exhaust and air intake.
Last edited by Zig; Nov 18, 2005 at 07:06 AM.
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From: stafford country, va. Avatar: Me on turn 3 @ Bristol (The World's Fastest Half-Mile)
Originally Posted by zippin zee
... torque management. ....
.... I also believe there is some variance in the degree of torque management and the style of the driver makes a huge difference in the way the car runs while it is in effect.
.... I also believe there is some variance in the degree of torque management and the style of the driver makes a huge difference in the way the car runs while it is in effect.
hhmm... is that logic in the c6 pcm.... whoa... hello christine...better be nice to her.....cars gone wild are not fun.....
... you are not going to see the full potential of these these cars in hot weather. ...
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From: Livingston Texas
Originally Posted by Zig
I'm suspecting something ain't completely correct since my best 0-60 according to the G-Tech Pro RR (mounted to the windshield) is an unbelieveable,
60'=1.830
60 mph=3.225
vehicle weight=3344
max power=353.8 @ 6482
max trq=407.9 @ 3615
so my question is, how accurate is the g-tech ? what do i need to do to make sure this thing is accurate ? It's kinda hard to believe these times, especially without any juice, slicks, turbo, supercharger, or any major mods beyond the standard exhaust and air intake.
60'=1.830
60 mph=3.225
vehicle weight=3344
max power=353.8 @ 6482
max trq=407.9 @ 3615
so my question is, how accurate is the g-tech ? what do i need to do to make sure this thing is accurate ? It's kinda hard to believe these times, especially without any juice, slicks, turbo, supercharger, or any major mods beyond the standard exhaust and air intake.
As to the accuracy, mine seems to be dead on. If anything it is reading a little slow. Most of my factory runs were a little over 13.xx with the worst being 13.3x.
I think the reason yours is showing the wrong speeds is your car weight seems a little light. I have mine set at 3508. Remember to add your weight plus gas. A full tank of gas weighs well over 100 pounds. Also look at the pitch factor I lowered mine to 1 and like I said before it seems to be accurate.
The best way to verify it would be to run at the strip and compare to your timeslip. I believe there are directions on adjusting the pitch factor to match your time slip.
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Originally Posted by rmitchell242
haha john force would probably drive a c6 stick about 13.50
but i drove mine 113mph at sac raceway it was in the 80's doubt it if you must
yet 106 is pretty slow so it may not be you your car might be a turd
can u shift fast? or r u takin a week between gears
oh yeah and if u were smokin a c6 with those mods and u were stock then i can only make 1 conclusion he is a real bad driver cuz he should be putting down high 370 rwp maybe 380's
but i drove mine 113mph at sac raceway it was in the 80's doubt it if you must
yet 106 is pretty slow so it may not be you your car might be a turd
can u shift fast? or r u takin a week between gears
oh yeah and if u were smokin a c6 with those mods and u were stock then i can only make 1 conclusion he is a real bad driver cuz he should be putting down high 370 rwp maybe 380's
Last edited by jdwk; Aug 10, 2006 at 02:32 PM.
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From: springtown tx
Originally Posted by Zig
while TM is in effect ?? hhmmm.. so are you saying the computer makes adjustments based upon driving styles ? kinda like the rumor when Saturn first came out. I heard this rumor about the automatic transmission in the Saturn. Supposedly, it made adjustments to shift points, fuel, timing, etc. according to ones driving style. It took a little bit to learn your style, but after that it would just make minor changes, etc. based upon roadway feedback.
hhmm... is that logic in the c6 pcm.... whoa... hello christine...better be nice to her.....cars gone wild are not fun.....
hhmm... is that logic in the c6 pcm.... whoa... hello christine...better be nice to her.....cars gone wild are not fun.....