C6 1/4 Mile Performance Challenge
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude donor in memory of jpee '14
Le Mans Master
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From: Monroe Township New Jersey
St. Jude Donor '05-'06-'07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12-'13-'14-'15-'16
St. Jude donor in memory of jpee '14
BTW If anyone has any questions or suggestions regarding the keeping of the list please PM me rather than taking up space better served talking about actual times
Thanks
Tommy
Thanks
Tommy
Last edited by Tommy D; Oct 2, 2007 at 09:05 AM.
Team Owner
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Actually, 60' times is THE one addition I'd like to see for Tommy D's list. Don't bother to try to get them for all the times already listed just add them for the new entries.
And just one more vote for bolding a new or changed entry. You're on the line to make an entry, just add a bold tag around it. OK, that was 2 things. Apparently some people are never satisfied.
And just one more vote for bolding a new or changed entry. You're on the line to make an entry, just add a bold tag around it. OK, that was 2 things. Apparently some people are never satisfied.
Tommy does this out of the goodness of his heart. I've been president of a homeowners association not once, but twice. I know what its like to do something voluntarily, then have everyone tell you how you could do your job better.
I realize nobody is trying to be critical of Tommy, but I think ya'll should understand that he does not work for the forum - this is not his job.
Burning Brakes
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From: The best one
I guess you have not driven a Corvette down the track yet. Our sixty foots are not like you would expect. Those cars that are stock and record smokin 60 ft times usually record slower 1000 foot times and those cars who record slower sixty foot times will record quicker 1000 foot times. Check out the search feature of the forum and look at torque management.
TM is not unique to vettes.
other things control mph weather and TM being two off themgear converter tires. in a pre TM car gears converter being equal, comparing mph would be an indicator of more hp
Last edited by 11secondGP; Oct 1, 2007 at 11:36 PM.
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Le Mans Master
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You guys are hilarious. I guess the laws of physics cease to exist when dealing vettes.
TM is not unique to vettes.
This is what Im saying all else being equal the trap speed is the best indicator of power to weight in the 1/4. ET is determined by the launch(again all else being equal). So this is where the 60 and 330 are very important.
TM is not unique to vettes.
This is what Im saying all else being equal the trap speed is the best indicator of power to weight in the 1/4. ET is determined by the launch(again all else being equal). So this is where the 60 and 330 are very important.
Dennis tried to explain it nicely and you did not understand...... I don't want to argue! But you don't know what you are talking about, posted below are two runs & I have many, many more in my records.
10.55 PM
Temp 64
Absolute Barometer 29.47
60 ft…. 2.107
330…..5.603
1/8…..8.439
Mph…..87.65
1000…..10.855
¼………12.922
Mph…..108.39
Oct 26, 2005
Run # 1
6:25 PM
Temp not posted
Absolute Barometer not posted
60 ft…. 2.136
330…..5.581
1/8…..8.382
Mph…..88.80
1000…..10.784
¼………12.833
Mph…..109.44
I would strongly suggest that you continue doing whatever you are doing with your GP and leave the Corvette stuff to those of us with some knowledge of what is going on. Please do not waste any more of our space unless you have a time slip to post.
Thank You
Tommy
Burning Brakes
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OK you have shown how TM can effect your runs. That has nothing to do with what I said. Remove the TM launch harder and your ET will improve accordingly. This is drag racing basics. Not sure what you dont get. MPH with all else being equal is certainly more indicative the power to weight of the vehicle than the ET. ET is based on the launch. Again this is basic.
Hopefully a respected member will come in here and verify what I am saying. Maybe somebody who knows how to analyze 1/4 runs.
Comparing ETs without knowing the launch is worthless.
Hopefully a respected member will come in here and verify what I am saying. Maybe somebody who knows how to analyze 1/4 runs.
Comparing ETs without knowing the launch is worthless.
Last edited by 11secondGP; Oct 2, 2007 at 12:53 AM.
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OK you have shown how TM can effect your runs. That has nothing to do with what I said. Remove the TM launch harder and your ET will improve accordingly. This is drag racing basics. Not sure what you dont get. MPH with all else being equal is certainly more indicative the power to weight of the vehicle than the ET. ET is based on the launch. Again this is basic.
Hopefully a respected member will come in here and verify what I am saying. Maybe somebody who knows how to analyze 1/4 runs.
Comparing ETs without knowing the launch is worthless.
Hopefully a respected member will come in here and verify what I am saying. Maybe somebody who knows how to analyze 1/4 runs.
Comparing ETs without knowing the launch is worthless.
the point being most of us in the corvette community have come from 9 and 10 second street cars. oh yes take your ls3 turn your tm out , get a few dozen runs with it. and when you beat my time. let me know what you have learned. and then yes we can argue, all the time we can argue. you cant turn tm off in an auto. you said ask people in the know, in the gp world i would ask you. based on your time.are you trying to say TommyD isn't respected, or some others. i don't care if i have your respect or anyone else's. to have respect you have to accomplished something in the c6 or have knowledge, you have done neither
Last edited by dennis50nj; Oct 2, 2007 at 08:12 AM.
Burning Brakes
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I race and GM auto, and yes you can effectively remove TM. If you launch hard and do not have TM hindering your run, all other variables being identical(weather, shifts, gearing, converter), the 60ft will determine the ET. Again this is drag racing basics. Trying to compare ETs without knowing how they were launched is just plain silly.
Race Director
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From: Southampton NJ
I race and GM auto, and yes you can effectively remove TM. If you launch hard and do not have TM hindering your run, all other variables being identical(weather, shifts, gearing, converter), the 60ft will determine the ET. Again this is drag racing basics. Trying to compare ETs without knowing how they were launched is just plain silly.
Burning Brakes
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You must be the only one who thinks a C6 cant be tuned for drag racing, lol. You also are probably the only person I have ever come across who thinks that the launch is not important when analyzing 1/4 runs. Ask anyone who is experienced in running the 1/4 mile. Wow, I am shocked at the lack of understanding from you two.
Race Director
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From: Southampton NJ
You must be the only one who thinks a C6 cant be tuned for drag racing, lol. You also are probably the only person I have ever come across who thinks that the launch is not important when analyzing 1/4 runs. Ask anyone who is experienced in running the 1/4 mile. Wow, I am shocked at the lack of understanding from you two.
like you said racing basics. now enter c6 auto tm throw the basics out the window. their is only one point if you can eliminate TM like you and some others believe, where are all the great 60 ft times. out of all the runs posted on the boards all c6 forums. i haven't seen them. just what kind of 60 ft should an average 400 rwhp 3400 pound car with driver run. all i hear is if you could get that 60 down that would be a great run. why hasn't anyone got it down, that was told that, even with track prep and drs or slicks
can you tell me that genius. and even if i didn't understand, my time in the c6 sure is better than yours and always will be
Pro
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I won't take up any more space here unless I'm posting 1/4 mile info.
Le Mans Master
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You must be the only one who thinks a C6 cant be tuned for drag racing, lol. You also are probably the only person I have ever come across who thinks that the launch is not important when analyzing 1/4 runs. Ask anyone who is experienced in running the 1/4 mile. Wow, I am shocked at the lack of understanding from you two.
The second error was that you refused to read what the others were posting. They never disagreed with you, they just pointed out that TM throws a lot of the basics out the window. Good luck with your 11 second Grand Prix. I guess it just proves that given enough power even a pig can fly! And I do not mean that disrespectfully!
Instructor
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nope not trying to argue, welcome too NA, world. et 12.060 mph 113.91 60 ft 1.821 et 12.062 mph 116.72 60 ft.1.886 other things control mph weather and TM being two off themgear converter tires. in a pre TM car gears converter being equal, comparing mph would be an indicator of more hp. but in all actuality the et wins the race not the mph. and i am not arguing this point just enlightening yourself and others, it is not what it appears to be with TM. 60 fts don't follow the rule. her is another example et 11.623 mph 115.77 60 ft 1.609 then
et 11.620 mph 117.48 60 ft. 1.677 then et 11.666 mph 116.72 60 ft. 1.588
see my point
gear converter tires. in a pre TM car gears converter being equal, comparing mph would be an indicator of more hp. but in all actuality the et wins the race not the mph. and i am not arguing this point just enlightening yourself and others, it is not what it appears to be with TM. 60 fts don't follow the rule. her is another example et 11.623 mph 115.77 60 ft 1.609 thenet 11.620 mph 117.48 60 ft. 1.677 then et 11.666 mph 116.72 60 ft. 1.588
see my point