A6 Launch Timing issue
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From: Richmond Texas
i have given everyone advise, i am hiding nothing. i really don't no anything about tuning but most tuners turn the low octane tables off, i am not giving a smartass comment or false hopes, if you can turn tm off i give you all the credit in the world. i don't care what the graph says i don't care what the dyno says, all i care about is what the 60ft says and the et. sorry if you interpreted this the wrong way, you are not going to turn off tm and get 1.47 60 fts. i gave you the best advise
drive around it!! you and many others are laughing, the ones that listened are going faster, i would advise you to due the same
drive around it!! you and many others are laughing, the ones that listened are going faster, i would advise you to due the sameIf you don't care what the graph is showing, why did you even post??? The purpose of this thread was to address a timing issue. It wasn't a how to improve your 60' time thread.
Lets get the facts straight:
1. I ask if anyone has witnessed/figured out how to remove the timing dip at launch.
2. Nobody posts a solution.
3. BBA from HPTuners provides me with a solution to fix it.
4. I try it and it works.
5. I go to the track and verify.
Then you come in calling me out because my ET didn't improve??? Also, where was I laughing??? You act like I called you out before on something. Hell, I was sending all my buddies the link to your 10.9 run and giving you props. Chill out brotha!
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From: Southampton NJ
Dude, that is the problem...you haven't told me anything. You act like you did and I didn't take your advice. Please define "drive around it" and I will give it a shot.
If you don't care what the graph is showing, why did you even post??? The purpose of this thread was to address a timing issue. It wasn't a how to improve your 60' time thread.
Lets get the facts straight:
1. I ask if anyone has witnessed/figured out how to remove the timing dip at launch.
2. Nobody posts a solution.
3. BBA from HPTuners provides me with a solution to fix it.
4. I try it and it works.
5. I go to the track and verify.
Then you come in calling me out because my ET didn't improve??? Also, where was I laughing??? You act like I called you out before on something. Hell, I was sending all my buddies the link to your 10.9 run and giving you props. Chill out brotha!
If you don't care what the graph is showing, why did you even post??? The purpose of this thread was to address a timing issue. It wasn't a how to improve your 60' time thread.
Lets get the facts straight:
1. I ask if anyone has witnessed/figured out how to remove the timing dip at launch.
2. Nobody posts a solution.
3. BBA from HPTuners provides me with a solution to fix it.
4. I try it and it works.
5. I go to the track and verify.
Then you come in calling me out because my ET didn't improve??? Also, where was I laughing??? You act like I called you out before on something. Hell, I was sending all my buddies the link to your 10.9 run and giving you props. Chill out brotha!
i hope it works 
Drifting
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If you have the stock converter, I think 1.8s -1.9s will be about the best you will see on stock runflats... I know Dennis has a decent size converter w\drs and is hitting the throttle hard to get a 1.47 60'. I'm thinking the converter may put the car above the TM threshold...
The best I've been able to get is a low 1.9s, but Evilways has several 1.85s ... I'd love to learn how to get into the 1.7s or better with the stock converter\run flats...
The best I've been able to get is a low 1.9s, but Evilways has several 1.85s ... I'd love to learn how to get into the 1.7s or better with the stock converter\run flats...
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From: Southampton NJ
If you have the stock converter, I think 1.8s -1.9s will be about the best you will see on stock runflats... I know Dennis has a decent size converter w\drs and is hitting the throttle hard to get a 1.47 60'. I'm thinking the converter may put the car above the TM threshold...
The best I've been able to get is a low 1.9s, but Evilways has several 1.85s ... I'd love to learn how to get into the 1.7s or better with the stock converter\run flats...
The best I've been able to get is a low 1.9s, but Evilways has several 1.85s ... I'd love to learn how to get into the 1.7s or better with the stock converter\run flats...
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From: Peoria/Phoenix AZ
C6 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019
Ok guys, here are the results...IT WORKS!!!!!
I didn't set any personal records tonight as far as ET (caused by new traction problems
) but I did see a lower 60' time even with the added spin off the line (I have a video). I tweaked Bill's tune a little bit and the graph shows the improvement.
Mods: Vararam, Corsa Extreme, TM removed (with launch fix)
Tires: Base GY Run Flats
Here are the stats from my best run:
60' 1.9138
330' 5.2739
1/8 MPH 90.34
1/8 ET 7.9806
1000 ET 10.2877
1/4 MPH 116.52
1/4 ET 12.2303
DA: +80
I didn't set any personal records tonight as far as ET (caused by new traction problems
) but I did see a lower 60' time even with the added spin off the line (I have a video). I tweaked Bill's tune a little bit and the graph shows the improvement.Mods: Vararam, Corsa Extreme, TM removed (with launch fix)
Tires: Base GY Run Flats
Here are the stats from my best run:
60' 1.9138
330' 5.2739
1/8 MPH 90.34
1/8 ET 7.9806
1000 ET 10.2877
1/4 MPH 116.52
1/4 ET 12.2303
DA: +80
Thanks for being the guinea pig and doing the testing too.
Ding dong the dip is dead. Rejoice!
Pro
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From: St. Louis Mo
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE ATTENTION, It effects ALL a6 owners and hpt is doing NOTHING to help out..
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From: Richmond Texas
PLEASE.. I read through the whole thread, all pissing and moaning aside, my vert has went 1.72 on the bottle, on stock run flats, so Believe it or not, the tires WILL do this, I have done it at 2 different tracks. Gateway international (stl) and Kansas city. I really would like to see these timing tables.. Are you changing the tables in the high and low octane tables? What rpm are you changing them at.
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE ATTENTION, It effects ALL a6 owners and hpt is doing NOTHING to help out..
THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE ATTENTION, It effects ALL a6 owners and hpt is doing NOTHING to help out..
I don't knock HPT...they've provided us with a great product. Its up to the community to figure out what works best for each application.
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because the dip in timing is TM. you are trying to remove TM at launch. if you did your 60 fts will be better. you can spin just a little and the TM wont be brought in on launch but a little further down the run. your dip in timing is caused by TM. the dip didn't happen because you spun, you have to dead hook at some point to bring TM into play. put a set of drs launch the car hard, then check the dip. the TM and the dip are one in the same, put your tune back to stock take off with tire spin you wont have the dip, make the car hook you will have the dip
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because the dip in timing is TM. you are trying to remove TM at launch. if you did your 60 fts will be better. you can spin just a little and the TM wont be brought in on launch but a little further down the run. your dip in timing is caused by TM. the dip didn't happen because you spun, you have to dead hook at some point to bring TM into play. put a set of drs launch the car hard, then check the dip. the TM and the dip are one in the same, put your tune back to stock take off with tire spin you wont have the dip, make the car hook you will have the dip
Also, why is that when I called Julian at Cartek he said he had a solution for taking care of the dip. He was going to charge me $200 for the tune. According to you, he was going to sell me something that wasn't going to work right?
EDIT: Julian, at Cartek, is a cool guy. The only reason I didn't get their tune is because at this time they are not doing mail order tunes.
Last edited by n77nxc; Mar 21, 2008 at 09:44 AM.
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So you are saying that what I did to the high and low tables did nothing to remove the dip???
Also, why is that when I called Julian at Cartek he said he had a solution for taking care of the dip. He was going to charge me $200 for the tune. According to you, he was going to sell me something that wasn't going to work right?
EDIT: Julian, at Cartek, is a cool guy. The only reason I didn't get their tune is because at this time they are not doing mail order tunes.
Also, why is that when I called Julian at Cartek he said he had a solution for taking care of the dip. He was going to charge me $200 for the tune. According to you, he was going to sell me something that wasn't going to work right?
EDIT: Julian, at Cartek, is a cool guy. The only reason I didn't get their tune is because at this time they are not doing mail order tunes.
but lets not act like you have the fix
you clearly don't. many have went 1.7s 60 fts with a4 a6 and m6. i didn't say Cartek doesnt have the fix and yes Julian is a cool guy, and so is everyone else at that shop and they can lessen the dip, but show me the proof you have solved it with drs, show me a great 60 ft, stop attacking me every time i question that you solved it. i am giving thoughts and theories on why you haven't proved it. you are very good at putting words down that people never said. were did i say Cartek cant take it out. i said you didn't prove that you took it out. Cartek turned my car and it has 1.47 and low 1.5 60 fts constantly. were else on this forum has anyone else's shop come close to that that proves they must know something and wasn't trying to pull a scam like you are fabricating. i am not trying to discredit you, i am trying to help you it is a forum and that's how things get solved with facts you haven't gave us all the facts up until now its only a half theory with half the tests. so please don't try to discredit Cartek. there work on my car proves everything and yes i am trying to help
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Dude, honestly. I do not how in the world you think I'm trying to discredit Cartek now. Ask Julian how willing I was to pay for the tune. I was willing even to send them my PCM.
You know...I'm just gonna kill the links to the tables since you obviously are trying to discredit anything I say.
To the other members that are interested in the tune, lets take it to the PM's.
Jason
You know...I'm just gonna kill the links to the tables since you obviously are trying to discredit anything I say.
To the other members that are interested in the tune, lets take it to the PM's.
Jason
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Dude, honestly. I do not how in the world you think I'm trying to discredit Cartek now. Ask Julian how willing I was to pay for the tune. I was willing even to send them my PCM.
You know...I'm just gonna kill the links to the tables since you obviously are trying to discredit anything I say.
To the other members that are interested in the tune, lets take it to the PM's.
Jason
You know...I'm just gonna kill the links to the tables since you obviously are trying to discredit anything I say.
To the other members that are interested in the tune, lets take it to the PM's.
Jason
if your tune helps others that's all that maters
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Also, why is that when I called Julian at Cartek he said he had a solution for taking care of the dip. He was going to charge me $200 for the tune. According to you, he was going to sell me something that wasn't going to work right?
EDIT: Julian, at Cartek, is a cool guy. The only reason I didn't get their tune is because at this time they are not doing mail order tunes.
EDIT: Julian, at Cartek, is a cool guy. The only reason I didn't get their tune is because at this time they are not doing mail order tunes.
What Julian had told you is in fact true but the path that they follow isn't exactly the same as what you're showing above.
As most of us have been told from a very early age, you get what you pay for and I wouldn't (and haven't) hesitate one bit in paying for Cartek's vast knowledge in the areas of PCM/TCM programming and dyno tuning.
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Cartek can definitely help in remedying those timing/TM/dip issues, I was their just yesterday evening and actually talked to Julio (the main PCM programmer there and owner) about this very thread.
What Julian had told you is in fact true but the path that they follow isn't exactly the same as what you're showing above.
As most of us have been told from a very early age, you get what you pay for and I wouldn't (and haven't) hesitate one bit in paying for Cartek's vast knowledge in the areas of PCM/TCM programming and dyno tuning.
What Julian had told you is in fact true but the path that they follow isn't exactly the same as what you're showing above.
As most of us have been told from a very early age, you get what you pay for and I wouldn't (and haven't) hesitate one bit in paying for Cartek's vast knowledge in the areas of PCM/TCM programming and dyno tuning.
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, Dennis is trying to help you, but it seems that you didn`t like his answer. You could learn alot for him,since he has been their and done that a million times You can`t say that you solved something without showing proof.
Its great that you are very motivated to try and figure it out yourself. But just because a scan showed the dip in a different spot doesn`t mean anything without proof that you got a better 60ft. The great mistery of TM has always been on the launch. When you hook, TM kicks in hard and kills your 60ft. If you can prove that you are getting great 60fts with your adjustment then thats great for everyone.
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You know, i don`t want to hop on the band wagon here, but , Dennis is trying to help you, but it seems that you didn`t like his answer. You could learn alot for him,since he has been their and done that a million times
You can`t say that you solved something without showing proof.
Its great that you are very motivated to try and figure it out yourself. But just because a scan showed the dip in a different spot doesn`t mean anything without proof that you got a better 60ft. The great mistery of TM has always been on the launch. When you hook, TM kicks in hard and kills your 60ft. If you can prove that you are getting great 60fts with your adjustment then thats great for everyone.
, Dennis is trying to help you, but it seems that you didn`t like his answer. You could learn alot for him,since he has been their and done that a million times You can`t say that you solved something without showing proof.
Its great that you are very motivated to try and figure it out yourself. But just because a scan showed the dip in a different spot doesn`t mean anything without proof that you got a better 60ft. The great mistery of TM has always been on the launch. When you hook, TM kicks in hard and kills your 60ft. If you can prove that you are getting great 60fts with your adjustment then thats great for everyone.
