Diablo Predator Programer vs. Dyno Tuning by changing computer program.
Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
Predatotr Tunes Vs Pro Tuners.
drivability, gas milage as well as wot w no knocks. thats my experience
which eventually got me numbers and performance and now im very satisfied at 412 RWHP. I still have the predator but can no longer tune with it. Its still a useful tool to scan and do logging.
Drifting
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Canned tunes are base tunes. They are good for someone starting out. You select a 93 octane tune because you have headers & CAI. You notice an improvement, you think you can do a little better. When you modify parameters now you have just made a custome tune. The car runs well. Then you go to the dyno and surprise your numbers were not what you thaught they should be. I thaught 390, nope 363 was the number. The tuner then at that point asks you to restore your stock tune. I say can you do better give me a number. He says just you wait and see. He gets 387 and your thrilled. The heart of the matter the tuner w HP or EFI has many more tables to work with as opposed to the predator which is really just a wot tune. There is part throttle,
drivability, gas milage as well as wot w no knocks. thats my experience
which eventually got me numbers and performance and now im very satisfied at 412 RWHP. I still have the predator but can no longer tune with it. Its still a useful tool to scan and do logging.
drivability, gas milage as well as wot w no knocks. thats my experience
which eventually got me numbers and performance and now im very satisfied at 412 RWHP. I still have the predator but can no longer tune with it. Its still a useful tool to scan and do logging.
...The tunes are not optimized for every car with the same mods....Danny318, to answer your question, the deal was with the tune, not the car. My only mods were LG headers, Stingers and a Vararam. I was lean at cruise and pig rich at WOT, and the MAF values were all over the place. My tuner couldn't get over how off it was for my car.....It wasn't a junk tune, maybe the word I used was a little harsh, but compared to having a good cutom tune done in comparison it is....I'll have dyno numbers with the Predator tune vs. a custom HP Tuners tune by next weekend. 
Drifting
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...The tunes are not optimized for every car with the same mods....Danny318, to answer your question, the deal was with the tune, not the car. My only mods were LG headers, Stingers and a Vararam. I was lean at cruise and pig rich at WOT, and the MAF values were all over the place. My tuner couldn't get over how off it was for my car.....It wasn't a junk tune, maybe the word I used was a little harsh, but compared to having a good cutom tune done in comparison it is....I'll have dyno numbers with the Predator tune vs. a custom HP Tuners tune by next weekend.
Drifting
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Don't get me wrong.....The predator is a nice tool and a great tuning starting point, but as LSCHLEM stated with software like HP Tuners more changes can be made therefore optimizing parameters that can't be reached with the Predator.
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I'll be able to show you as soon as I get my car back on Saturday. My tuner is going to dyno the car with the predator tune in place, then again with his modified tune in place to show the differences......Then again after my new mods are done with with a new custom tune in place.
Don't get me wrong.....The predator is a nice tool and a great tuning starting point, but as LSCHLEM stated with software like HP Tuners more changes can be made therefore optimizing parameters that can't be reached with the Predator.
Don't get me wrong.....The predator is a nice tool and a great tuning starting point, but as LSCHLEM stated with software like HP Tuners more changes can be made therefore optimizing parameters that can't be reached with the Predator.
I wouldnt mind having at it, but its a lot of money for me so ima just wait.
Anyways, that will be real sweet to see the two graphs overlayed!
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Drifting
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Here's some pics of Ed at work at the track:
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Mike's car was in the 11.8 range @ WOT with the predator tune. Now he is 12.8-13.0 dead on. I doubt running that rich did make more power for you. It all depends on what type of dyno you were on, what vehicle temps, what the weather conditions were at the times of the different runs so many variable, I can only speak for myself on keeping those things consistent to produce consistent runs. Mike's graphs will be done tomorrow and you can see the difference between the two tunes. Every car likes something different, "canned tunes" only get the cars in the ballpark, but there is still a lot to be gained. This is true with the factory or an off the shelf tune from a handheld programmer. Factory isn't worried about the performance aspect, they worry about fuel mileage and durability. They get the power from the mechanical parts and deal with the vehicle to vehicle losses from their tunes.
Ed
Ed
Thanks Ed. You beat me to it
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Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
Coat hanger in exhaust pipe ?
you are as astonished as I was. Good Luck, leon
Drifting
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Hey guy some pretty nice pics there. BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL. I see the coat hanger in the exhaust pipe. Your tuner is doing his thing . Wideband is most accurate for a/f measurement. Will be interesting to see the animal awakening when MODS + Tune graphs are posted. I hope
you are as astonished as I was. Good Luck, leon
you are as astonished as I was. Good Luck, leon
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MAN, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME! so much information, i am going crazy over here. this web-site is the best.
i have made up my mind and i will be going to a shop to Dyno-tune my car with predator. i am going there this saturday and i cannot wait to see how much difference the predator can really make.
like i said i already have Vavaram intake, Magnaflow exhaust, X pipe, Throttle Body spacer, and 90m mass air flow sencer.
and i feel really weired about my car getting hot up to 220 degree so i will have them tune it so the fan kicks in at 200 degrees!!!! cannot wait!
i have made up my mind and i will be going to a shop to Dyno-tune my car with predator. i am going there this saturday and i cannot wait to see how much difference the predator can really make.
like i said i already have Vavaram intake, Magnaflow exhaust, X pipe, Throttle Body spacer, and 90m mass air flow sencer.
and i feel really weired about my car getting hot up to 220 degree so i will have them tune it so the fan kicks in at 200 degrees!!!! cannot wait!
Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10
AN interesting thread.
MAN, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME! so much information, i am going crazy over here. this web-site is the best.
i have made up my mind and i will be going to a shop to Dyno-tune my car with predator. i am going there this saturday and i cannot wait to see how much difference the predator can really make.
like i said i already have Vavaram intake, Magnaflow exhaust, X pipe, Throttle Body spacer, and 90m mass air flow sencer.
and i feel really weired about my car getting hot up to 220 degree so i will have them tune it so the fan kicks in at 200 degrees!!!! cannot wait!
i have made up my mind and i will be going to a shop to Dyno-tune my car with predator. i am going there this saturday and i cannot wait to see how much difference the predator can really make.
like i said i already have Vavaram intake, Magnaflow exhaust, X pipe, Throttle Body spacer, and 90m mass air flow sencer.
and i feel really weired about my car getting hot up to 220 degree so i will have them tune it so the fan kicks in at 200 degrees!!!! cannot wait!
the actual hands on experiences of others.
On the predator you may want to install a 160 stat and set the fan settings. your car will run 180 ish which would be a good starting temp for a first dyno run. with cooler temps that would enhance your ability
to get optimal a/f & timing values. good luck with your tune Leon
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Use something with the widest available parameters to work with.
HP would be a good example.....its like buying crappy gas for a $50,000 car. It just doesn't make sense. Your tuner shouldn't charge to go back to stock.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10