Due to the recent concerns voiced on the C6 General forum regarding "list" rules and the possible separation of the LS2 and LS3 posted times, it appears the time has come to have a discussion of opinions.

Hopefully this can be done in a cool-headed civil constructive manner without being heated or flaming.

I'll start with my opinion:
I believe that there are 3 (ZR1 will make it 4) distinct engines that have been offered in the C6 and should be only compared within themselves.

I further believe that minor (read that as bolt-ons) modifications of those engines will produce performance gains in close relationship to what the stock engine produced.

However, I believe that internal or power-adders blur the distinctions beyond reasonable comparison.

I'm not promoting a separate forum for LS2 vs LS3, such as the Z06 has (and the ZR1 will most likely have), just the understanding that there are significant performance differences.

As one last opinion, I'd like to see a separate sticky that spells out the rules in each catagory more specifically than what exists presently.

I understand the list was created as fun thing on an honor system and it has somehow evolved to be taken more seriously by some individuals. I'm kinda guessing for those who understand the fun part, that any changes will not bother them. Although, changes may be necessary to avoid conflicts with the ultra-competitive crowd.

 

Until this issue is resolved im keeping my own LS3 list:

Racing and reporting here should be fun!

 

LS2: Bone stock/bolt on/internal componets/FI/increased cubic inch

LS3:Bone stock/bolt on/internal componets/FI/increased cubic inch

LS7:Bone stock/bolt on/internal componets/FI/increased cubic inch

LS9:Bone stock/bolt on/internal componets/N20/increased cubic inch

I don't know how most of you feel , but it's no fun competing on a list that includes everything from a cam only to a big bore, punched out block with forged internals.(internal mod list).

 

That's how I would set up a list.

Also, why do we not just have a regular database for information to get entered so that we can view it in an easy-to-read spreadsheet format?

 

Sounds good to me. I agree too the forums do not need to be separated for LS2/LS3. We do need a stickly for each clearly explaining the do's and dont's for each classification. Thanks for posting this!!

 

Agreed, that list seperation sounds perfect. Although you may want to make another for the "All Out" class for the top 10 ETs. But I think it is a neccessary split, its hard to compare two stock categories with different engines...

Btw, 11secondGP... you spelled my name wrong! lol

 

it doesn't mater if its separated or not because nobody's going to catch me but it would be nice if everyone would stop thinking their model is best and bulling the other, and the actual racers decide that have a common knowledge of what goes on, and not the owners who bar room internet dyno race and think their model is best on the backs of the racers

 

that's ok he spells mine wrong all the time too, he thinks it bothers me

 

I don't know exactly how I feel about separating out the LS2s and LS3s. While it does makes sense (C5 LS1s and C5 Z06s are separate...C6 Z06s are also on their own etc.) these are also very similar cars otherwise.
I mean what's next, separate lists for automatics and manuals, coupes and convertibles, blue cars and silver cars?

As for the 'internally modded' list, yes I too believe that a stroker motor or a car with an LSX block conversion should be separated from a mere stock bottom end heads and cam car.

 

 

Actually I started spelling it that way because my father has the same name and Im used to denis being denis, lol.

 

hey i got the first year and the A4 I'm obsolete, if they start splitting them up to trans model and engine i want to be on all them since im the fastest why should i give up the top spot to be just top of LS2 when i destroy the LS3

 

Also a good (valid) point.

 

thats cool James, spell it like your fathers then, now i know that we will be great friends for sure, i always thought you did it because you thought it aggravated me. i admired you determination to keep doing it, sticking to your guns

 

There should not be a transmission varient to the lists.....having the trannies combined actually shows useful information, unlike having a 427 ci LS2 w/ h/c,headers,gears,intake and tune up agaisnt a stock c.i LS2 with a t-stat and cam.

 

Personally I'd keep the LS2 & LS3 together on the same list. Sure, the LS3 is more powerful, but I like to see how my LS2 stacks up against them.

 

I'm waiting to see your car take it all on 'Pinks' !

 

i applied and didn't make it in the first 500 or whatever it was

 

Yeah, I don't think that splitting it up by transmission is neccessary. Make the list simply put that down with the year of the car and tranny, like 05 A4, or 06 M6, etc.

Granted if we aren't doing numbers, like top 10 or whatever, it doesn't matter much if we split the list up anyway.

But if we are going to limit the amount of top times, then we should split them up definately so one engine doesn't take over the list. It would just be unfair. It is easy enough to look at both lists and compare LS2s to LS3s and see how everyone is stacking up.

 

Im with you but any of those engines can be wicked fast. In 20 years I wont care which one had the easier time of getting there since everyone will be driving electric cars when the hummers use up all of the gas.