"The List" & LS2 vs LS3
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Good question. I presume you are asking what list he should go on if he decides to race his car?
What if a guy swaps an LS7 into an '08 vert? I believe that TJ Wong did just that.
But what if it had been an '05 A4?
And then there is this guy. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...21&postcount=7
I don't know the answer. The #3 post in this thread by EvilWays might give the answer or at least a start to a reasonable answer that folks could agree on.
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I never lied or falsified anything and to not be given a specific accusation or a chance to defend myself is flat out wrong on many levels.
So I ask myself what kind of person engages in these policies in a position of power especially as insignificant as a list manager?
So I ask myself what kind of person engages in these policies in a position of power especially as insignificant as a list manager?
I'm fairly new to this forum (enjoying it alot, too) and don't want to disrupt the process of how it evolves, but I made my first 1/4 mile pass 50 years ago, so I think I may have a little history/wisdom to offer. If anyone feels my input is not desired on any issue at any time, please send a PM so it doesn't affect the thread.
I've seen some real interesting thoughts and think we are making progress to the point we may reach a consensus soon. Democracy at it's best.
I appreciate what Tommy does to keep the list updated. That alone is commendable. On top of that he is willing to accommodate our collective desires, if we as a group ask.
More thoughts and opinions??
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That direct injection LS3 could be a pretty cool thing though, if it does ever happen I'm betting it will come out as more than a 15hp improvement...could make things interesting.
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I think it's fair enough to split a list up by motors...the LS3 is NOT the LS2.
A direct injection LS3 is still an LS3.
The LS1 quick lists were not split up by 98-00 and 01-02 (when they got the LS6 intake)
A direct injection LS3 is still an LS3.
The LS1 quick lists were not split up by 98-00 and 01-02 (when they got the LS6 intake)
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I don't have the database expertise to do this, but I'm sure someone on here does.
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Something like: http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=110717
or like http://www.dsmtimes.org
or like http://www.dsmtimes.org
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Oh, even better, maybe I'll get one of those. 
The one possible issue with going to a spreadsheet type set up is going to be the initial set up and the maintenance of it, not a HUGE undertaking of course but potentially more labor intensive than the current format.
And I think it's also best to match the C6 Z06 and C5 lists as closely as possible simply for 'board uniformity's' sake.
The one possible issue with going to a spreadsheet type set up is going to be the initial set up and the maintenance of it, not a HUGE undertaking of course but potentially more labor intensive than the current format.
And I think it's also best to match the C6 Z06 and C5 lists as closely as possible simply for 'board uniformity's' sake.
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Although it would suck if it was done because the engine blew up or something and thus had no extra modifications. But what are the chances of that happening? LSx engines don't break!
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anyways, my theory is it has to be in the increased c.i. area due to people competing an LS2/LS3 vette with a LS7 in it instead. There is no replacement for displacement, and it gives the bigger c.i. guys as much of an advantage as forced induction.
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This would be my choice as well and then you could filter the list by whatever factor you want to view it by (LS2, LS3, stock, modified, transmission, etc.). There use to be a list like this on the corvetteforum several years ago as I remember posting my C5 time on it.
I don't have the database expertise to do this, but I'm sure someone on here does.
I don't have the database expertise to do this, but I'm sure someone on here does.
Oh, even better, maybe I'll get one of those.
The one possible issue with going to a spreadsheet type set up is going to be the initial set up and the maintenance of it, not a HUGE undertaking of course but potentially more labor intensive than the current format.
And I think it's also best to match the C6 Z06 and C5 lists as closely as possible simply for 'board uniformity's' sake.
The one possible issue with going to a spreadsheet type set up is going to be the initial set up and the maintenance of it, not a HUGE undertaking of course but potentially more labor intensive than the current format.
And I think it's also best to match the C6 Z06 and C5 lists as closely as possible simply for 'board uniformity's' sake.
My hat goes off to the man who can maintain that spreadsheet type setup that forum member BrianH points to.Keeping that up to date is no small task and one of the things I noticed about it was the ability to categorize the list using a drop down menu in the demo.
http://www.ls6.com.au/forum/timeslips.php?
If you categorize it using "times only", there are 26 entrants.
If you sort it by "cars w/proof of ET" the number shrinks to 7 entrants.
You can sort thta particular demo by 17 different criteria. Which means that someone had to enter 17 different criteria whenever adding the entrants.
Finally I read a few posts in the thread, it has over 700 posts in it.
On a thread that large, I'll ususally just look at the first couple and the last couple of pages to get a feel for whats going on.
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showt...110717&page=49
Look at post #723 and down.
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That's way too much work to ask anyone to do.
This is just for fun. Keep it simple. Let the applicant wanting inclusion submit the required information in the format Tommy requested and simply add the list data and a link, i.e. post #, to the appropriate list. It appears that's how it's being done presently and that it's simple and effective.
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what if a guy swaps a ls3 in an '05 A4?
I understand that it'd be a rare thing, but let's say if they were in the same category then someone might want to build one to de-throne dennis...it'd still be a stock motor w/ bolt-ons just in an 05 body to take advantage of the A4 tranny, there's no replacement for displacement...or like spin mentioned before, what if you swap on the "stock ls3 top end" (l92/76 package) on an ls2?...I think the ls7 should be out of the loop since it's from the z06
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I understand that it'd be a rare thing, but let's say if they were in the same category then someone might want to build one to de-throne dennis...it'd still be a stock motor w/ bolt-ons just in an 05 body to take advantage of the A4 tranny, there's no replacement for displacement...or like spin mentioned before, what if you swap on the "stock ls3 top end" (l92/76 package) on an ls2?...I think the ls7 should be out of the loop since it's from the z06
but it wouldnt work anyway
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I took the list last night and seperated it out in an excel spreadsheet that is sortable by et, mph, driver, year, transmission, and mods. Its pretty cool but when it is all there it looks like a lot of data... it really isn't. I should have added another column for class, like Stock / Bolt On etc. Simply putting it in a pivot table organized by class would output what we got going. Then you can sort it by times, et, tranny, year... could be valuable.
Just food for thought.
I'm at work now and bored... so I'll do it again and upload it somewhere for peeps to download.
Just food for thought.
I'm at work now and bored... so I'll do it again and upload it somewhere for peeps to download.
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I took the list last night and seperated it out in an excel spreadsheet that is sortable by et, mph, driver, year, transmission, and mods. Its pretty cool but when it is all there it looks like a lot of data... it really isn't. I should have added another column for class, like Stock / Bolt On etc. Simply putting it in a pivot table organized by class would output what we got going. Then you can sort it by times, et, tranny, year... could be valuable.
Just food for thought.
I'm at work now and bored... so I'll do it again and upload it somewhere for peeps to download.
Just food for thought.
I'm at work now and bored... so I'll do it again and upload it somewhere for peeps to download.
Get a few people which maintain it, toss it up on google docs and you can have one version with multiple tabs for different lists that multiple people can edit and then you've got historical versions to revert to if anything happens and you can have multiple people editing at once.
I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but once in a spreadsheet that can be exported into an excel spreadsheet you can use word with maildump(i think that's what it is) to export data automatically into a word doc which would already have all vbb formatting needed into it. I've not had a chance to see if gdocs support something similar yet or not.
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Ok, so I have it sortable by the following columns:
Class - Stock, Bolt On, Internal Engine, Forced Induction
ET - The 1/4 Mile times
MPH - The 1/4 Mile MPH
Driver - The Driver
Year - Years 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Tranny - A4, A6, M6
Package - Z51, F55, 3.15, NPP, 2.73
Mods - The modifications done to the car
Posting - If there was a posting listed which one it is.
So with this you can compare the fastest M6s, or 08s, or whatever criteria you want.
I could also build it to automatically make a link to the posting just by entering the posting number... that might be really helpful.
Hopefully this link will work...
http://pilampsualumni.com/racing/C6 List.xls
P.S. I took the liberty of correcting Tommy D's posting with my correct stock time. He put in the older post.
Edit: I'm going to post this in the list thread...
Class - Stock, Bolt On, Internal Engine, Forced Induction
ET - The 1/4 Mile times
MPH - The 1/4 Mile MPH
Driver - The Driver
Year - Years 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Tranny - A4, A6, M6
Package - Z51, F55, 3.15, NPP, 2.73
Mods - The modifications done to the car
Posting - If there was a posting listed which one it is.
So with this you can compare the fastest M6s, or 08s, or whatever criteria you want.
I could also build it to automatically make a link to the posting just by entering the posting number... that might be really helpful.
Hopefully this link will work...
http://pilampsualumni.com/racing/C6 List.xls
P.S. I took the liberty of correcting Tommy D's posting with my correct stock time. He put in the older post.
Edit: I'm going to post this in the list thread...
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