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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewZPSU
Ok, so I have it sortable by the following columns:

Class - Stock, Bolt On, Internal Engine, Forced Induction
ET - The 1/4 Mile times
MPH - The 1/4 Mile MPH
Driver - The Driver
Year - Years 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Tranny - A4, A6, M6
Package - Z51, F55, 3.15, NPP, 2.73
Mods - The modifications done to the car
Posting - If there was a posting listed which one it is.

So with this you can compare the fastest M6s, or 08s, or whatever criteria you want.

I could also build it to automatically make a link to the posting just by entering the posting number... that might be really helpful.

Hopefully this link will work...
http://pilampsualumni.com/racing/C6 List.xls

P.S. I took the liberty of correcting Tommy D's posting with my correct stock time. He put in the older post.


Edit: I'm going to post this in the list thread...
I like that.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianH
Is that only within the motor, or are gears considered bolt on?
Yes only within the motor, gear/rear swaps do fall under the category of 'bolt on'.

Dennis should've specified "anything that touches engine/motor oil".
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianH

Here's a thought, and one that could really assist Tommy D as well as anyone that's going to maintain a 'list'.

Get a few people which maintain it, toss it up on google docs and you can have one version with multiple tabs for different lists that multiple people can edit and then you've got historical versions to revert to if anything happens and you can have multiple people editing at once.

I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but once in a spreadsheet that can be exported into an excel spreadsheet you can use word with maildump(i think that's what it is) to export data automatically into a word doc which would already have all vbb formatting needed into it. I've not had a chance to see if gdocs support something similar yet or not.


Actually, now that I've looked into this a bit it could make it even easier on Tommy D to go this route as you can use GDocs to make custom forms which people can fill out and when they enter the information it goes right into a spreadsheet. . . Snifty.

Check it
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianH
Actually, now that I've looked into this a bit it could make it even easier on Tommy D to go this route as you can use GDocs to make custom forms which people can fill out and when they enter the information it goes right into a spreadsheet. . . Snifty.

Check it
Thats pretty cool, but it seems like it could be abused a little. Oh well, he'll figure out what he wants to do with it. With all this stuff he's probably sitting there going
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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i think tommyd does a great job! i like the way it is, easy and simple. i don't have to search no trans, motor, gear, et, mph, just look at the top of the bolt/on list and i am more than likely their also the history of the list of how people have advanced and how long they have held the spots is interesting reading. the list is very simple and easy to read, and has served its purpose very well and needs no improvement except more people participating to get on it.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 04:26 PM
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needs no improvement except more people participating to get on it.
YES! Racing tommorow...
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
i think tommyd does a great job! i like the way it is, easy and simple. i don't have to search no trans, motor, gear, et, mph, just look at the top of the bolt/on list and i am more than likely their also the history of the list of how people have advanced and how long they have held the spots is interesting reading. the list is very simple and easy to read, and has served its purpose very well and needs no improvement except more people participating to get on it.
The list wouldn't change at all, calm down. . . if anything it could only make it easier on TD.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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YES! Racing tommorow...
good luck James
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
i think tommyd does a great job! i like the way it is, easy and simple. i don't have to search no trans, motor, gear, et, mph, just look at the top of the bolt/on list and i am more than likely their also the history of the list of how people have advanced and how long they have held the spots is interesting reading. the list is very simple and easy to read, and has served its purpose very well and needs no improvement except more people participating to get on it.
And just like you did, I am stating this very calmly.

The idea of separating out the two motors might be one possible option to explore but as far as the layout goes, most of us were in TOTAL agreement of it when the 'very qualified' Tony (aka: 'Nineball' from LS1 Tech) offered to help revise/standardize it a little bit a few years back and I'm still in favor of the current format now.
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The list wouldn't change at all, calm down. . . if anything it could only make it easier on TD.
i didn't hear tommy complaining it was hard. or for any help. I'm sure he knows whats best, he is an accountant. i think somebody else came up with a brainstorm to change the list once it doesn't need changed, it is very similar to the other lists of corvette forum, the main goal is to keep them uniform
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
i didn't hear tommy complaining it was hard. or for any help. I'm sure he knows whats best, he is an accountant. i think somebody else came up with a brainstorm to change the list once it doesn't need changed, it is very similar to the other lists of corvette forum, the main goal is to keep them uniform
I see you quoted my post, but you must have missed where it said that the list wouldn't change at all.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
i didn't hear tommy complaining it was hard. or for any help. I'm sure he knows whats best, he is an accountant.
Which also means he might be truly busy as all heck right now it being income tax season and all, just in case anyone was wondering why he hasn't posted too much on these topics lately.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Which also means he might be truly busy as all heck right now it being income tax season and all, just in case anyone was wondering why he hasn't posted too much on these topics lately.
Having read that previously this was one of the only reasons I even said anything. I realize that some may be resistant to change, much like people were when computers came about and some argued it was still better to store information in 3 ring binders on shelves as it made it easier to access.

I'm not saying it has to be done my way, I'm not saying it should be, I'm not saying that the list needs to change, I just simply found a way that would make maintenance EASY on Tommy D. With his position I'm sure he's an excel ninja and it may make it as easy as him just cutting and pasting some columns.

Either way, makes no difference to me. I sent the info to TD, I'm sure he'll understand it and if he chooses to utilize it cool, if not no biggie.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
.... except more people participating to get on it.
Oh yeah!

I'm an easy target at 12.41 for a ls3/A6 to beat. Just hoping to get somebody to try. The first one even to try gets to be, at the very least, the 2nd fastest ls3/A6.

With that said, I'm slapping my face for not posting my earlier 12.14 in the bolt-on list. After this weekend I promise to put up either the old or new numbers.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by HOXXOH
Oh yeah!

I'm an easy target at 12.41 for a ls3/A6 to beat. Just hoping to get somebody to try. The first one even to try gets to be, at the very least, the 2nd fastest ls3/A6.

With that said, I'm slapping my face for not posting my earlier 12.14 in the bolt-on list. After this weekend I promise to put up either the old or new numbers.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:50 PM
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My excel sheet isn't made to change the format, I like the format and how we can see it progress. Its all the exact same information too in almost the same format. Its just easy for records sake and for others to compare.

My personal hope is Tommy would update the list as normal, and also add it into the excel sheet and link that. That way we can do comparisons personally. Like ask yourself "how do I stack up to other M6s"? Simply put transmission as M6 and you'll know.
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Originally Posted by AndrewZPSU
My excel sheet isn't made to change the format, I like the format and how we can see it progress. Its all the exact same information too in almost the same format. Its just easy for records sake and for others to compare.

My personal hope is Tommy would update the list as normal, and also add it into the excel sheet and link that. That way we can do comparisons personally. Like ask yourself "how do I stack up to other M6s"? Simply put transmission as M6 and you'll know.
yes and you can do that now you go to the page the list is on and can see the ls2 ls3 the mods the trans or the stock list trans gears npp ls2 ls3
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:26 PM
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Because parsing through to find data sets to compare and then comparing them is much more easier than just sorting by them.
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LS2: Bone stock/bolt on/internal componets/FI/increased cubic inch

LS3:Bone stock/bolt on/internal componets/FI/increased cubic inch

LS7:Bone stock/bolt on/internal componets/FI/increased cubic inch

LS9:Bone stock/bolt on/internal componets/N20/increased cubic inch
Let's not let this topic die. We had a number of members who felt Evilways (see above quote) had a fair solution. (not just because his pic is at the top of the list.) The logic for engine separation being that these are the major differences the factory gave us to work with. Of course, the ls7 and ls9 results would not be included on the ls2/3 list.

The bolt-on list is already top heavy with ls3's as an early indication that engine does have advantages. To leave them in the same list as the ls2's will only reduce the desire for ls2 owners to participate.

Can we get a vote here so Tommy knows where we stand?

Either or it's

My vote is:
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i think tommyd does a great job! i like the way it is, easy and simple. i don't have to search no trans, motor, gear, et, mph, just look at the top of the bolt/on list and i am more than likely their also the history of the list of how people have advanced and how long they have held the spots is interesting reading. the list is very simple and easy to read, and has served its purpose very well and needs no improvement except more people participating to get on it.
Tommy is doing a GREAT JOB!
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