Tm
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nope it was a typical tsb about mismachined case the shift solenoids get clogged in the screen so change if happens again tear out trans and clean inspect rebuild, they just kept changing the solenoids instead of fixing and the tech screwed up. my first trans ran cooler on a hot 95degree day in traffic with the c3800 converter then the new trans with stock converter on a cold day while cruising, even after all the over heating problems and all 4 lines changed they didn't change the fluid or screen, i asked them don't you think you should change it and they said nope if it breaks we will replace under warranty. so i say the tech is bad. and gm is to if they didn't insist
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St. Jude Donor '08
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As Tony stated here, I too think there's still PLENTY torque management left in the system hurting your initial launch.
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nope it was a typical tsb about mismachined case the shift solenoids get clogged in the screen so change if happens again tear out trans and clean inspect rebuild, they just kept changing the solenoids instead of fixing and the tech screwed up. my first trans ran cooler on a hot 95degree day in traffic with the c3800 converter then the new trans with stock converter on a cold day while cruising, even after all the over heating problems and all 4 lines changed they didn't change the fluid or screen, i asked them don't you think you should change it and they said nope if it breaks we will replace under warranty. so i say the tech is bad. and gm is to if they didn't insist
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Since I'm not seeing that happen during launches, where and how is TM still being implemented?
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It's in there somewhere, it's a sneaky little system that will not go down without a fight
LOL.
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Do keep in mind that some of the answers you might get from the likes of an HP Tuners or EFI Live employee might not be telling the entire story. Afterall they are in the business of selling this programming and it's certainly not in their best interest to outright tell people "no, we haven't uncovered all areas of your PCM yet, we're still working on it so you should wait a few more months before you buy our products". They want you to buy it now, not later.
Of course they are awesome
when it comes to providing their customers with updates and revisions but what does that tell you?That they are in fact constantly working on/uncovering new tables (TM) as I'd mentioned above.
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St. Jude Donor '08
I was out tonight in the 08, and just don't get this TM thing. I don't feel it hold me back at all, and I did a bunch of hard pulls tonight with the R888s!!!
Maybe you guys need to send your PCM to Charlie...
JB
Maybe you guys need to send your PCM to Charlie...
JB
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
Proper tires on a prepped track will avoid accidents and damage to the driver which cant be fixed. Be careful.
Manual transmissions dont fare well wth short sidewall drag radials on a prepped track. A dedicated 17" rim with a MT will lessen the shock to a manual's driveline. BFG's dont flex any and wind up snapping parts or making the clutch slip a bit. Your trap speed indicates a 1.6x 60' will result in a 11.5-11.6.
Stay safe.
Manual transmissions dont fare well wth short sidewall drag radials on a prepped track. A dedicated 17" rim with a MT will lessen the shock to a manual's driveline. BFG's dont flex any and wind up snapping parts or making the clutch slip a bit. Your trap speed indicates a 1.6x 60' will result in a 11.5-11.6.
Stay safe.
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Charlie is one of the best, and the m6 can have TM reduced, but shouldnt you get atleast 1.5s 60 fts with 450rwhp if you have no TM
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I'd rather leave some on the table, and go out and do what these cars were really made for the next weekend: ROADRACING!!!!
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I only launched at around 4000 RPM when I hit my 1.6s 60 ft. I imagine I could drop down to 1.5 if I launched closer to 6000 RPM. I'm just not sure I want to risk tearing up my diff or driveline for the extra tenth or two. I do have a unitrax built/cryoed diff with hardened shaft, but I also run on MT DR with a short sidewall...
) and not at least make one all out launch attempt to show just what that Torco and Charlie have done with the car? 
You have some will power man!
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St. Jude Donor '08
1.5s at the very worst I would think. At that power level and weight the car could hit high 1.4s easily.
Yeah I can understand wanting to protect your rear and all but still...going through ALL that effort to mount DRs, make a trip to the drag strip (in some cases a drag strip hundreds of miles away) and not at least make one all out launch attempt to show just what that Torco and Charlie have done with the car?
You have some will power man!
I only launched at around 4000 RPM when I hit my 1.6s 60 ft. I imagine I could drop down to 1.5 if I launched closer to 6000 RPM. I'm just not sure I want to risk tearing up my diff or driveline for the extra tenth or two. I do have a unitrax built/cryoed diff with hardened shaft, but I also run on MT DR with a short sidewall...
Yeah I can understand wanting to protect your rear and all but still...going through ALL that effort to mount DRs, make a trip to the drag strip (in some cases a drag strip hundreds of miles away
) and not at least make one all out launch attempt to show just what that Torco and Charlie have done with the car? You have some will power man!
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I only launched at around 4000 RPM when I hit my 1.6s 60 ft. I imagine I could drop down to 1.5 if I launched closer to 6000 RPM. I'm just not sure I want to risk tearing up my diff or driveline for the extra tenth or two. I do have a unitrax built/cryoed diff with hardened shaft, but I also run on MT DR with a short sidewall...
I'd rather leave some on the table, and go out and do what these cars were really made for the next weekend: ROADRACING!!!!
I'd rather leave some on the table, and go out and do what these cars were really made for the next weekend: ROADRACING!!!!
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Even though Joel's car is a manual, his 2008 rear is also FAR stronger than yours. He has PLENTY of room to hit it harder off the line without breaking it, especially being the excellent driver that he is.
C'mon Joel, launch that **** and let's at least see some low 1.5s.
he using a little 2.5 pounder mounted under the dash. 
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St. Jude Donor '08
Good point.
Even though Joel's car is a manual, his 2008 rear is also FAR stronger than yours. He has PLENTY of room to hit it harder off the line without breaking it, especially being the excellent driver that he is.
C'mon Joel, launch that **** and let's at least see some low 1.5s.
Even though Joel's car is a manual, his 2008 rear is also FAR stronger than yours. He has PLENTY of room to hit it harder off the line without breaking it, especially being the excellent driver that he is.
C'mon Joel, launch that **** and let's at least see some low 1.5s.
On a side note, I should have some fresh pulls this weekend on video in the 08!! I've been playing around with different plugs, and may have found one that my combo REALLY likes!!!
Man she pulled hard last night, almost felt like a bit of boost!
