You find two stock cars... same trim etc and one has gears and the other has headers.. I'll drive the header car and give you 2-1 odds that I will be ahead after 140.... starting from a stop... I'll bet $2k to your $1K... I'll even pay for my ticket to fly to the location. Both cars would have to be properly tuned.

They have to be LG Pros, Kooks, or AR headers... You can choose any gear ratio you want...

 

Christy's available.

 

Ok now we're really stretching it. 140?! Who is racing up to 140mph? The OP's question was if he could only get one mod, which would get him down the track faster? Gears or headers? Never is a gear only or a header only C6 coming anywhere near 140mph at the track. So I think we have our answer. GEARS!

Besides the OP hasn't responded since his origonal post. Was it just a baiting question with no real search for an answer? Just something to get the troops riled up? Perhaps. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's just been busy.

 

Either that or from a 35 punch to 120? I'm flexible....

 

I can't wait to see you try to hook on runflats with 4.10s

 

I'm well past gears only on runflats my friend.

Stock power would light up the runflats. If the OP does decide on 4.10s, with his current mods, he will start off exactly as I did. VR, Borlas, 4.10s, and tune. The tires would still go up, but they will also regain traction sooner than the 3.42s. At his power level, even if he decides to go headers later, he has not completely overpowered the runflats just yet. 4.10s at his power level will not be a problem.

 

Too bad the Fast c-6 list has plenty of fast cars with mostly 3.90's and 3.73's. Where's the 4.10's?

 

Recommend we let this thread die...



Arguing with people on the internet is like trying to find a corner in a round room...

You just keep going in circles and all you end up with is frustration.

 

Here we go again....

 

Yeah but they also have several other mods as well. Besides the Fast List doesn't mean sh*t to me. Way too much drama and BS going on with it. (no offense to those involved with it)

The OP asked for one mod, headers or gears, to get down the track faster. Since he has not given us any real information, we can only assume so much. Daily driver, planned future mods, etc. The consensus appears to be gears. Hell even one of the most respected tuners on the east coast recommended gears.

I'm not letting you rope me into your game. I've seen some of your posts before and you come off as a trouble maker at times(IMO) Most say gears, you and a few others say headers. That's fair, we're all entitled to our opinions. However like I said before, the OP hasn't been back on here so I don't think it matters much to him anyway.

No arguments and no frustration. It's just a shame that we can't have an intelligent, informative discussion. Even with different opinions.

....god forbid someone mentions 4.10s around here

 

I've been modeling an LS3/C6 using a racing simulator and it's getting pretty good at making 1/4 mile predictions, at least for the basic car.

I'd like to compare the two cars (virtual C6 with 4.10s against virtual C6 w/headers) in a simulation but in order for the simulation to be remotely accurate, I need to obtain the power delta provided by headers and I need this data from about 3000 rpm to 6500 rpm in 500 rpm increments.

The best possible case would be if someone has a dyno sheet which has a tuned run w/no headerts and a tuned run w/headers from an otherwise stock Ls3 (and they can post this).

It's important to minimize the number of variables here so the before and after need to differ by only the headers and they shouldn't include a bunch of other mods. Anyone have such data? Anyone?

Pat

 

Not a trouble maker at all, problem is people get offended when someone else has a different opinion.
Then they want to get personal. Like an earlier post in this thread from Welcome 2try who gets all hostile when someone wants to debate a subject.
4.10's are a sore subject here because of one reason, another person (acting like god at times on here) getting very upset when you try to point out other facts. That other ratio's are maybe better for different applacations. Nothing wrong with 4.10's. Stock power they should the fastest gear down the track in the base 6 speed. Not so sure with the Z-51! Not roping you in to any game
just the fact some voted for headers and some vote for gears.
No answer has been proven yet! As to which one goes down the track faster. Still only opinions. My friend, and mine is as good as yours. Unless we line up a Header car vs the gear car. The fast list would be a place to start to get an idea.
It shows the fastest bolt-on cars have number 1 mod is a CAI.
Which maybe should have been in the poster's question.
Number two mod is Headers. Number 3 is gears.
Header cars make the list. A couple 08's made it with just a cai. But the 08's are faster. How many make the bolt-on list with
Gears only or CAI and gears, NONE. Then the gear of choice on the list
is not 4.10's. Headers add horsepower and MPG, the gears do neither. Plus proof that headers are the main mod making 40 rwhp over stock on my car. Plus people get wrapped up on the SOTP feel of the gears. I feel the headers made mine faster than just the gears. That said I love my 390 gears, really made the car a great allround street and strip car. The answer is to get both and don't limit the mods to Just gears or headers. Just food for thought and nothing personal!

 

Holy triple post Batman!!

I agree with some of the above responses but none more than this.



That being said, some do take things a little too far and get upset with different opinions. The problem is not all of those opinions are based on fact or experience. Too much theory going against practice sometimes. I see where it tends to get some people worked up. If opinions or ideas are expressed they need to be backed up with actual facts. Not just instigating comments, etc. No sense in it really since we're all trying to help each other out.

 

Were all helping to better our respective Corvette's. Gotta admit it makes the forum the great place it is!

 

True! Some people post without having experience. With that said, there are people on the other side that also have a ton of experience. I don't want to come off as a know it all because I'm not. I learn stuff every day. Dennis and Tony have taught me a ton about automatics. I do feel like I have lot of experience though. I’ve personally owned 2 C6s and have been in the 11s in both of them and have tons of Videos pulling Vipers, New C6 Z06s etc… I tuned and helped my dad setup his C6 (this car had gears and was in the 11s.) If you want videos, send me a Pm… I have slips and videos out the wazzu…. Before the Vettes, I built up several other cars: - 03Cobra 475RWHP, Turbo 03Evo and a 2000 SC Mustang GT making over 400 to the wheels. So the fact is, nobody knows how much experience the other people have. I don’t know how you can say that people post without experience unless you know their background personally.

The thing that sticks out in my mind though is the fact that most of the people defending gears over headers never post time slips or videos... I’d love to see how many people have posted on here with gears only. I’d be surprised if you found more than one or two. You don’t have to care about the list to post slips…

Again, I really think gears are a good mod, but I wouldn’t put it over a converter or Headers... The best advice is to gear your car for how the car will be end up when your finished modding. Headers on the other hand are a safe bet no matter what your modding plans are. If you are going to run a big cam, gear the heck out of it.... If you are going to run a stealth or a smaller cam, you probably don't need all that gear. If you want to be fast from roll-ons, you probably don't want all that gear either. Those are the things I've learned from my experience.

America is great, we have can have opinions, but in the end we all love Corvettes.. Nothing personal...

 

Those that have the experience will let it be known. The problem is some people will push a particular mod pro/neg and make instigating comments without providing the information to educate those of us who don't know. I just want to learn, but you have to convince me. I'm not just going to agree with what you say. (not you personally, just in general)
This i will agree with however there are several shops/tuners that have quite a few shop cars or customer cars that back up their mod opinion. These shops see dozens of setups a year and have the experience and expertise to make well informed educated recommendations. I'd take their word over anyone elses.

and so do most. Figuring that 4.10s are capable of supporting mid 10s and 130mph traps, I'd say that's more than most will even try and attain. So unless you're into RR or you have another agenda, this seems to be an easy decision. That's slightly off topic since we're not discussing actual ratios here. Your comment as to headers being a safe bet no matter what is 100% true. However we have really received no information from the OP as to his intended goals. Just a question as to which one is faster. For all we know he may do this one mod and then decide that's it (although in his profile he says and much much more to come) My personal opinion, if only one can be chosen (we're forgetting that and outlining our own proposed future for the OP, for which we are clueless about) is that gears are a better only mod. That is the path I originally chose and had no regrets. I would honestly love to see some honest comparisons done between gear only and headers only cars. I personally know of a cam only 4.10 C6 beating a cam only 3.42 C6, 0-120+ by a considerable amount. Same cam and same tuner. However I would still like more examples before I can say for a fact that gears are better....even though I think they are.


I honestly think we're just entertainment for the OP. He's probably just sitting back and laughing at all us e-fools.

 

I couldnt agree MORE!!!
Take it from the guys who have both Mods!!!
Myself included
Mike

 

these are always the best threads

 

Never happen
Every time the header car turns the wheels with a 315 gear the 4.10 car will be 1 rotation ahead. do the math
Mike

 

I am one of the few that posted before and after results from gears only. I ran 3 tenths better with 4.10 gears over 3.42s.

I have not run a car with only a header change (and I assume tune) though so I cannot comment what the gain would be from that.

I agree that headers are a safe bet if you plan to mod later since you will need them to get the most out of many engine mods.

Always plan for the future before deciding what changes you should make today. It will save you the most money and aggravation.

If I knew 5 years ago that I would almost dedicate a vette to Road Racing I know I would have made many different decisions along the way (one of those decision is gears - I have gone from 3.42 to 4.10 to 3.73 and now heading back to 3.42s ).

And Finally - it is your car do what you want with it. People defending that their choice is the BEST and ABSOLUTE choice is just foolish IMHO.