the fastest bolt/on c6
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I understand that the converter is multiplying torque on the launch, but I imagine it's locked (minimize slipping) once in third (1:1) which happens before you cross the 1/8 marker (assuming 3.73 and 26" tire) then from there to the traps is just sheer power accelerating you (~4700-6100 rpm)...just curious if you run any octane booster or meth injection?
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I understand that the converter is multiplying torque on the launch, but I imagine it's locked (minimize slipping) once in third (1:1) which happens before you cross the 1/8 marker (assuming 3.73 and 26" tire) then from there to the traps is just sheer power accelerating you (~4700-6100 rpm)...just curious if you run any octane booster or meth injection?
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nope plain sunoco 93. maybe i exsplained it wrong what i am trying to say is when i get a dyno my numbers are exstremly low because i dont get full converter lock in 3rd or 4th, my dyno with stock converter was 376 rwhp 375 rwtq after converter and pully ported fast 373 gears 375rwhp because the converter wont lock on the dyno so its not a real reading
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a good comparison is jbs's full bolt-on ls3(pretty much the same as you minus the ewp I think) now his numbers may be a little on the high side and yours a little on the low side, but you gotta admit he's making more power than you w/ the xtra cubes and better heads...yet you out run him from the 660-1320 when y'all are both in 3.73 final drive (as he has the same rearend gears) no shifting taking place, just pure power propelling the car
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jbs's car is of course a manual versus Dennis's automatic so the rear wheel numbers will still read higher all else being equal but that's not necessarily relevant to this particular topic of conversation.
Sixty foot really is so critical, especially in an automatic car. And it's not that Dennis's car is pulling so incredibly strong once it hits half track as much as the car is already charging from the start and just carries it. Just a properly, and very likely a perfectly geared/convertered/tuned combo.
I'm still betting that in a higher speed/highway race at the same place/on the same day that jbs's car would still pull on Dennis's car, maybe not kill it of course but it would beat it.
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Sixty foot really is so critical, especially in an automatic car. And it's not that Dennis's car is pulling so incredibly strong once it hits half track as much as the car is already charging from the start and just carries it. Just a properly, and very likely a perfectly geared/convertered/tuned combo.
I'm still betting that in a higher speed/highway race at the same place/on the same day that jbs's car would still pull on Dennis's car, maybe not kill it of course but it would beat it.
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We do start with 91, but ya gota love the Torco!!!
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And even though it's quite likely that you would ultimately run a new best (and possibly even hit the 10s), it's a pretty safe bet that you also wouldn't see his numbers out here either...it takes a lot more than just hopping into the car and making a quick pass or two to shave off nearly a full 7/10ths of ET, even for a stellar driver like yourself. 
That colder air and 2000+ foot shift in DA comes with a whole new set of barriers and obstacles too, especially for a manual car.
That colder air and 2000+ foot shift in DA comes with a whole new set of barriers and obstacles too, especially for a manual car.
Thanks for the props on my driving...
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that's what gets me also, you 60' faster yet you out mph him too...you even said yourself that a car that 60's harder usually mphs lower yet you get faster...he has roughly the same first gear as you also, but does have an xtra shift so that is gonna slow him no matter how quick he is...oh well, gary ran a 10.89 and 126mph w/ less cubes, w/o a fast, ewp or udp and worse aerodynamics to boot...it's gotta be the air! thing is I ran at atco and englishtown in the spring of last year, but my car wasn't tuned up there and was running lean so it didn't help...you sure the timer didn't stop at the 1000'? j/k, wish I still up there to see it in person
thing is I ran at atco and englishtown in the spring of last year, but my car wasn't tuned up there and was running lean so it didn't help...you sure the timer didn't stop at the 1000'? j/k, wish I still up there to see it in person
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no i don't believe the ls3 is making more power if it makes 30 more hp i have that covered with the ported fast, dyno numbers are just numbers 1/4 mile times are real as mph goes is what they say. two different builds different weights different rotating mass, tire selection changes his gears to mine and at what point i get into third for that slingshot effect, my momentum doesn't stop as with a manual thanks to my Cartek trans tuning, you cant compare JBs 660-1320 because he had a slower start now if he did the first 0-660 the same as me then i pulled the last 660 then i would assume there could be something fishy if all else was equal as to weight, but the 1.43 says it all that's why great 60 fts are necessary.
I will say that while MPH does say a bunch, it does not correct for DA.
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that's what gets me also, you 60' faster yet you out mph him too...you even said yourself that a car that 60's harder usually mphs lower yet you get faster...he has roughly the same first gear as you also, but does have an xtra shift so that is gonna slow him no matter how quick he is...oh well, gary ran a 10.89 and 126mph w/ less cubes, w/o a fast, ewp or udp and worse aerodynamics to boot...it's gotta be the air! thing is I ran at atco and englishtown in the spring of last year, but my car wasn't tuned up there and was running lean so it didn't help...you sure the timer didn't stop at the 1000'? j/k, wish I still up there to see it in person
thing is I ran at atco and englishtown in the spring of last year, but my car wasn't tuned up there and was running lean so it didn't help...you sure the timer didn't stop at the 1000'? j/k, wish I still up there to see it in person
On a side note, I do want to say for the record, that I think Dennis's car is really optimized for a 1/4 mile run, and he and Cartek have gone the extra mile to be on the top of the list!!!
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I posted in another thread about two weeks ago that if anyone got close to Dennis' time he'd just step it up a notch. That was before his new best time. Dennis posted implying I was a good judge of character. Then he obliterated his old time. I think Dennis has a few tricks up his sleeve still.
jsblownc5, you're close and I'd love a ride in your car sometime. My car is stock and I'd love to experience some real power.
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jsblownc5, you're close and I'd love a ride in your car sometime. My car is stock and I'd love to experience some real power.
San
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I posted in another thread about two weeks ago that if anyone got close to Dennis' time he'd just step it up a notch. That was before his new best time. Dennis posted implying I was a good judge of character. Then he obliterated his old time. I think Dennis has a few tricks up his sleeve still.
jsblownc5, you're close and I'd love a ride in your car sometime. My car is stock and I'd love to experience some real power.
San
jsblownc5, you're close and I'd love a ride in your car sometime. My car is stock and I'd love to experience some real power.
San
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the car is a great 1/4 car and street car manners of course smooth idle its a bolt/on car, but we paid attention to the little details, is it great around town ? yes and on the turnpike parkway 295 and long fast rides, on a road course it would be al right with the stock tires, but JBs car is better for that, he wants a canyon runner and part time 1/4 car, i want a 1/4 car, he at the top of what he wants. im sure if he built it full time 1/4 i would have to step it up a notch because he is a great driver and charlie is tops
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I posted in another thread about two weeks ago that if anyone got close to Dennis' time he'd just step it up a notch. That was before his new best time. Dennis posted implying I was a good judge of character. Then he obliterated his old time. I think Dennis has a few tricks up his sleeve still.
jsblownc5, you're close and I'd love a ride in your car sometime. My car is stock and I'd love to experience some real power.
San
jsblownc5, you're close and I'd love a ride in your car sometime. My car is stock and I'd love to experience some real power.
San
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that's what gets me also, you 60' faster yet you out mph him too...you even said yourself that a car that 60's harder usually mphs lower yet you get faster...he has roughly the same first gear as you also, but does have an xtra shift so that is gonna slow him no matter how quick he is...oh well, gary ran a 10.89 and 126mph w/ less cubes, w/o a fast, ewp or udp and worse aerodynamics to boot...it's gotta be the air! thing is I ran at atco and englishtown in the spring of last year, but my car wasn't tuned up there and was running lean so it didn't help...you sure the timer didn't stop at the 1000'? j/k, wish I still up there to see it in person
thing is I ran at atco and englishtown in the spring of last year, but my car wasn't tuned up there and was running lean so it didn't help...you sure the timer didn't stop at the 1000'? j/k, wish I still up there to see it in person yes usually it does mph lower if there is no spin, so if i spun a little it would have been better mph, but remember 3800 converters lose a little mph up top. and you saw Garys great time and mph, next time your up let us know and you can see it first hand, there were guys at the last two rentals that were vette docs and cow customers and seen it do it plus i told them check the car, i might just let you take it for a pass
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that's what gets me also, you 60' faster yet you out mph him too...you even said yourself that a car that 60's harder usually mphs lower yet you get faster...he has roughly the same first gear as you also, but does have an xtra shift so that is gonna slow him no matter how quick he is...oh well, gary ran a 10.89 and 126mph w/ less cubes, w/o a fast, ewp or udp and worse aerodynamics to boot...it's gotta be the air! thing is I ran at atco and englishtown in the spring of last year, but my car wasn't tuned up there and was running lean so it didn't help...you sure the timer didn't stop at the 1000'? j/k, wish I still up there to see it in person
thing is I ran at atco and englishtown in the spring of last year, but my car wasn't tuned up there and was running lean so it didn't help...you sure the timer didn't stop at the 1000'? j/k, wish I still up there to see it in personLast edited by theofel; Dec 10, 2008 at 09:42 AM.
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Dennis's car is by far the fastest bolt on C6 in the quarter mile. Everyone seems so hung up on Dyno numbers. Dennis's car in not only a Bolt ON but its also a BOLT OFF! He is also a little old school. Hundreds of pounds lighter than most C6's. Just the way all of the world records were set. Divide his hp into the weight of his car...Now divide the weight of most C6's by their HP...Now you see why he runs so fast. His car is set up and tuned to the max in a very very light car..This is the winning combination that makes him #1 in bolt on's! He seems to be a perfectionist(pays attention to detail). He even let someone else drive his car that was 100 pounds lighter then him. Now that's the way to get a new record. Hats off to you... Dennis.