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Srt-10 vs. C6
Le Mans Master
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From: Chicago IL
Sorry dead wrong driven plenty LS3's he stands no chance, people forget SRT's are capable of beating C6 Z's, yu just have to know how to drive them and use the tq to your advantage. Buddy has an 05 SRT is an average driver, in my Z I bust him up by 4 cars, change cars(me driving the SRT I get him by 1-2.(both cars were 100% stock) LS3's are no quicker than LS2's and feel anemic, compared to a C6 Z06 and any gen 2 or 3 Viper. Gonna need allot of bolt-ons to keep up, on the bottom end, remember Vipers have had 500lbs of Tq since 1996(still more than the current Z) and although the rating changed the gen 2's had 500(they were 11 seconds cars stock(that was 12 years ago!!!) with good traction, its been proven over and over again. He will especially walk you on the upper end. C5 Z's are quicker than any LS3 Ive ever driven. You want to beat him your gonna need heads and cam, or go buy a C6 Z
Le Mans Master
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From: Chicago IL
Its not how much peak RWHP or TQ you have, the vipers power band is nice and flat, it will be making power in areas the corvette will not be close to.
Melting Slicks
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From: NJ..."the way I saw it, everyone takes a beating sometimes."
Given such a short race 40-100 you probably wont get beat that bad. From a dig and/or to higher speeds I think it would be ugly. I don't know if you have the time/money to throw any mods on there before hand, but unless it's a S/C, H/C, or N02 I don't think it would matter either way. Regardless, there's no shame in losing to a Viper, even if it is your father's. Consider it a benchmark. Mod and come back to even things up.
Le Mans Master
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From: Cumming, GA
Exactly! Keep in mind also your starting at 40 where the Z51 gearing is to high for a 1st gear jump and to low for a strong 2nd gear jump.
Either gear the Viper is in at 40 (1st or 2nd) is gonna make gobs more tq than a stock LS3. A base LS3 would have a better chance from this speed as it can get in 1st with plenty to run out before shifting.
Drop a mild cam in there with the supportings mods an wave bye bye, but stock for stock your gonna be in trouble.
Le Mans Master
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From: Concord NC
The Viper pulls like a freight train....especially in a 40 mph roll.
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Drifting
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I went to a track rental with my z a couple months ago and there was an owner of either an 03 or 04 viper with a k&N intake. He could drive well and I had him by about 2/10ths and 3 mph all day. They are fast and I don't think you stand a chance unless pops can't drive and you can.
Drifting
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Additionally, I have beaten a stock 03 Viper in my cam only LS3 from a roll. It was also on my old tune that made 471whp/428wtq. I have a video of it if you don't believe me
. 3~4 car win from 45-130mph. Yet again, bad driving was not a factor as my buddy who owns it is one hell of a driver. He has been to a 1.81 60' in a bone stock C6Z on stock tires.Now that I have tinkered with the tune to get it to 483whp/435wtq with gains of ~10wtq/whp across the whole curve, I am sure I would fair even better than before.
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Drifting
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I have beaten 3 C5Z's when my LS3 was stock. 1 at the track and 2 on a "closed course" from a roll. All 3 drivers pound the crap out of their cars, so this was not a factor.
Additionally, I have beaten a stock 03 Viper in my cam only LS3 from a roll. It was also on my old tune that made 471whp/428wtq. I have a video of it if you don't believe me. 3~4 car win from 45-130mph. Yet again, bad driving was not a factor as my buddy who owns it is one hell of a driver. He has been to a 1.81 60' in a bone stock C6Z on stock tires.
Now that I have tinkered with the tune to get it to 483whp/435wtq with gains of ~10wtq/whp across the whole curve, I am sure I would fair even better than before.
Additionally, I have beaten a stock 03 Viper in my cam only LS3 from a roll. It was also on my old tune that made 471whp/428wtq. I have a video of it if you don't believe me
. 3~4 car win from 45-130mph. Yet again, bad driving was not a factor as my buddy who owns it is one hell of a driver. He has been to a 1.81 60' in a bone stock C6Z on stock tires.Now that I have tinkered with the tune to get it to 483whp/435wtq with gains of ~10wtq/whp across the whole curve, I am sure I would fair even better than before.
Le Mans Master
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From: Southeast TX
You'll need cam and bolt ons or maybe a "ringer". You think the old man would notice if you did a swithchy for changey and subbed another car in for the race? Mine's white and I think it would run the viper a good race. He might notice the color difference though. Maybe someone with the right color could volunteer to help a brother out.
Nitrous would work too.
Nitrous would work too.
Drifting
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Le Mans Master
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You may also want to consider sabotage. I'm not familiar with the Viper exhaust system, but if it has an "X" pipe, you can use a potato to stop up half of the exhaust flow. It will run fine under part throttle, but will fall on it's face in the upper RPM range. Also, a bread wrapper covering up half to two thirds of the air filter will limit his HP. All's fair, 'specially when you're racing the old man. If he is running an offtype car, it's really open season.
Melting Slicks
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From: NJ..."the way I saw it, everyone takes a beating sometimes."
You may also want to consider sabotage. I'm not familiar with the Viper exhaust system, but if it has an "X" pipe, you can use a potato to stop up half of the exhaust flow. It will run fine under part throttle, but will fall on it's face in the upper RPM range. Also, a bread wrapper covering up half to two thirds of the air filter will limit his HP. All's fair, 'specially when you're racing the old man. If he is running an offtype car, it's really open season.
Le Mans Master
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Sabatoge?! Seriously? I don't know his father but maybe he can get away with just getting yelled at. However you try using "sabatoge" in a real street race and you'll probably wind up getting killed. If you're lucky maybe just sent to the ER. It's just a race, no need for BS like that.