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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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I just got off the phone with Optima... explained exactly what I want to do... (spoke to an engineer) he recommended Yellow Top Part # D 34/78 this is the DEEP Cycle that will last longest for the way I want to use it..and it should be a direct bolt in... Best price I've seen is from Summit $199

As of "NOW" I'm not having any problems so I may try to get a little more use out of my OEM battery..
I think we agreed in pms that the Optima yellow top would be best for your needs. There are some larger Deka/Braille batteries that might fill your need, but I think the Optima yellow top is a good choice for you.

I ordered my Hotchkis sway bars from Summit Racing. It was cheaper to have them shipped from Summit than to buy and pick them up locally from Hotchkis.

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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmansan
That's an Optima, not an Odyssey. It is rated at 38ah. Sorry, but that isn't that impressive, especially for the weight. Straight from Optima's site
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I ordered a Deka ETX18L, which is the same as the Braille B2618, for $82 shipped. The Braille MSRP is $199. I'll post up my results soon.
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Next time pick up the Deka battery. Same battery at less than half the cost. It's also rebadged as Big Crank.

You might want to check the specs again on that motorcycle battery It's not even comparable to the Braille, let alone the Optima D51.

Note the amp hour rating on the Deka EXT18L is for 10 hours, the standard for automotive batteries is 20 hours and the Optima and Braille are rated as such.

Optima D51 26 lbs 450cca 38 Ah@20 hours
Braille 2015C 15 lbs 425cca 20 Ah@20 hours
Deka EXT18L 18 lbs 330cca 20 Ah@10 hours
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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 03:30 PM
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Is this battery or the "DEKA" any good for my needs... I need a battery that will run my fan & electric water pump for 5-10 min with the Engine OFF at the drag strip to cool the engine...
No, it is NOT going to work well at all in that scenario.





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OR will these light weight battery's also give me the long running time with the motor off?
No, it most likely will not.
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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gotcha
You might want to check the specs again on that motorcycle battery It's not even comparable to the Braille, let alone the Optima D51.

Note the amp hour rating on the Deka EXT18L is for 10 hours, the standard for automotive batteries is 20 hours and the Optima and Braille are rated as such.

Optima D51 26 lbs 450cca 38 Ah@20 hours
Braille 2015C 15 lbs 425cca 20 Ah@20 hours
Deka EXT18L 18 lbs 330cca 20 Ah@10 hours
I have checked. It's the same battery. The specs are different depending on which company you believe. It's just a coincidence that they're the same weight, same terminal types, and same output when tested by independent people. By all means continue to purchase the Braille batteries.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2353060

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=925664

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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 04:05 PM
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[QUOTE=LS1LT1;1569835777]No, it is NOT going to work well at all in that scenario.

I also recommended he go with the Optima yellow top for his particular application (running his fan while the motor was off). I also sent him comprehensive data to illustrate the differences between the yellow top and red top Optima batteries.

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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by PowerLabs
20 pounds. That's a lot of weight... Specially on a car that is front heavy...
In fact that is so much weight that if I were to take the front battery off, and put a Braille in the trunk, my car would be lighter AND better balanced with the supercharger, than it was in stock form!

So now you understand the appeal
I could see the rear battery mounting. But no little one for me. Gonna leave you stranded sooner or later.
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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock'n Blue 08
I could see the rear battery mounting. But no little one for me. Gonna leave you stranded sooner or later.
http://www.golfmk5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77324

Post #16. Over 700 CCA. Drive it regularly and you won't have a problem, especially if you mount it in the stock location. 18 pounds in the rear isn't going to make much difference, especially when you need to add 6 pounds or more to get it there. I also don't like the idea of drilling holes in my body if I don't need to.

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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 09:35 PM
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I'm not even close to believing the Braille and the Deka battery are the same. I checked all the links.

Cold Cranking Amps is a rating used in the battery industry to define a battery's ability to start an engine in cold temperatures. The rating is the number of amps a new, fully charged battery can deliver at 0° Farenheit for 30 seconds, while maintaining a voltage of at least 7.2 volts, for a 12 volt battery.

I didn't see anything (in that forum post) that said the temperature in that store was 0 degrees and the Deka battery was the same temperature and load tested for thirty seconds with proper equipment And none of the links showed any testing of a Braille battery...The Braille is 15 lbs, the Deka is 18 lbs....I'm not seeing anything to make me think they are the same.
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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gotcha
I'm not even close to believing the Braille and the Deka battery are the same. I checked all the links.

Cold Cranking Amps is a rating used in the battery industry to define a battery's ability to start an engine in cold temperatures. The rating is the number of amps a new, fully charged battery can deliver at 0° Farenheit for 30 seconds, while maintaining a voltage of at least 7.2 volts, for a 12 volt battery.

I didn't see anything (in that forum post) that said the temperature in that store was 0 degrees and the Deka battery was the same temperature and load tested for thirty seconds with proper equipment And none of the links showed any testing of a Braille battery...The Braille is 15 lbs, the Deka is 18 lbs....I'm not seeing anything to make me think they are the same.
It's not that complicated. A lot of batteries are rebadged. I wasn't implying the Braille 2015 is the same as the Deka ETX18L. But the Braille and Deka (and Big Crank) battery are all made by the same manufacturer, EastPenn.

Look at the weights of the batteries. Hmmm, they're identical. Look at the terminal type and battery case. Look at the first link I posted. Deka had the 2015 (Braille's designator) for sale before Braille "introduced" it. Look at the dates of the posts. They're over three years old. This isn't news.

Look again at the first link I posted. That's the Deka 11.4 pound battery, same as the Braille, showing 398 CCA (exactly what Braille advertises).

The test meter is a digital meter, do you think testers actually put a battery in a freezer to test it?

You're happy with your Optima and I'm looking to save some weight. If you don't drive your car much the Optima is the better overall choice.

I will be the first to post the good and the bad about the Deka. I'm not the type to exclaim to the world that what I have is the best because I bought it (not saying you are, but you know the type). I feel obligated to let others know honestly what they should and shouldn't invest in. Cool?

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Old Apr 24, 2009 | 10:32 PM
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Here are the Deka, Big Crank and Braille batteries. Look at the weights, terminals, cases and outputs. This isn't a coincidence.

http://www.apexbattery.com/motorcycl...batteries.html

http://www.bigcrank.com/motorcycleba...v?c=motorcycle

http://www.braillebattery.com/

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[QUOTE=oldmansan;1569836224]
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No, it is NOT going to work well at all in that scenario.

I also recommended he go with the Optima yellow top for his particular application (running his fan while the motor was off). I also sent him comprehensive data to illustrate the differences between the yellow top and red top Optima batteries.

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I have read lots of problem posts about the Optima.
Twice as high for $199.00.
The stock delco is what I would use. If your not going for the weight savings Or a regular Walmart if you want
inexpensive. Plus IMO the Optima uglify's the engine compartment.
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Originally Posted by oldmansan

I will be the first to post the good and the bad about the Deka. I'm not the type to exclaim to the world that what I have is the best because I bought it (not saying you are, but you know the type). I feel obligated to let others know honestly what they should and shouldn't invest in. Cool?

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Absolutely cool, San

I'm just looking for answers, and always looking for the best bang for the buck. I appreciate you bringing the Deka to our attention. I have no doubts its a good battery at a great price. I will look forward to your findings with it.

I am on the lookout for a different battery for my car. My optima D51 has been great, but I originally bought it to fit in the rear passenger compartment of my car (an 08 with the onstar module already in the compartment). The length and width of the optima is great, but it is almost too tall. I had it installed, but the height of it requires removing all the insulation I had in the cubby and also some trimming of the cubby lid... I'd like to find something just a little smaller, for a cleaner installation.
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Originally Posted by Gotcha
Absolutely cool, San

I'm just looking for answers, and always looking for the best bang for the buck. I appreciate you bringing the Deka to our attention. I have no doubts its a good battery at a great price. I will look forward to your findings with it.

I am on the lookout for a different battery for my car. My optima D51 has been great, but I originally bought it to fit in the rear passenger compartment of my car (an 08 with the onstar module already in the compartment). The length and width of the optima is great, but it is almost too tall. I had it installed, but the height of it requires removing all the insulation I had in the cubby and also some trimming of the cubby lid... I'd like to find something just a little smaller, for a cleaner installation.
Cool. I wasn't dissing your Optima. It's a nice solution that has good deep reserves, fairly light weight and form factor.

The only problem with finding a solution for the rear of the car is that the battery has to be a lot more robust and you have to "pay" for the cabling and accessories in the rear. I personally don't think it's worth it.
Just my opinion.

Like I said, if the Deka sucks, I'll let everyone know that. It was $82. If it is half-assed, I'll post that too. I really am objective when I try something. I think I owe that to the people on this board, as they teach me something every day.

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I look forward to your review. Thanks for all the info.
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Originally Posted by jpee
Is this battery or the "DEKA" any good for my needs... I need a battery that will run my fan & electric water pump for 5-10 min with the Engine OFF at the drag strip to cool the engine...

I usually make 6-8 runs a day.. and it only gets 5 min charge time between rounds? I was told I'm better off with a DEEP Cycle like the Optima Yellow Top.. yes its heavier, but it will last all day ? OR will these light weight battery's also give me the long running time with the motor off?
You could always take an extra (large) battery with you to the drag strip and hook up to it in the pits to run your fan/pump. Depends on how serious you want to get. I personally wouldn't want to carry a battery inside my 'Vette although I have had a set of big-block Chevy heads in the rear deck area of my ZR-1. The lift over the rear fender was killer for those old cast iron heads.
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Old Apr 25, 2009 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by glass slipper
You could always take an extra (large) battery with you to the drag strip and hook up to it in the pits to run your fan/pump. Depends on how serious you want to get. I personally wouldn't want to carry a battery inside my 'Vette although I have had a set of big-block Chevy heads in the rear deck area of my ZR-1. The lift over the rear fender was killer for those old cast iron heads.
That's a very good idea. Then he could benefit from some weight savings to boot.

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