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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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I had the T2 in my LS3 for a while. While it sounded mean and made plenty of power, it had a few issues. Low speed drivability was good, but not perfect. If you can get along with a little surge every now and then, go for it. Select something like a 224/228 with a 114LSA and you'll miss a few HP on the top end, but wind up with perfect manners. Boils down to what is important to you..
I have the exact one.
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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SRTullio
Most people who want an aftermarket cam have "idle sound" far down on the list of things they want from a cam.

Look up LG for the best cam prices.
I find that most people who get a cam WANT a good, lopey sound.

And as for LG as having the best cam prices...
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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chad.orourke
forgot to mention that the car is a daily driver, but sees autocross and road courses from time to time.
I'm not sure anyone read that. If this is your daily driver, then NO CAM FOR YOU!!!
Weather it's a baby cam or a wild cam, the price is the same. $1,800 to $2,200 installed by any prof. corvette tuner. To pay 2K and get only 30rwhp/20rwtq for a "Daily Driver Cam" is a waste of money. You can gain more power from a F.A.S.T. intake & Vararam. Those mods are always reversible when you are ready to trade-up. The headers w/ BB fusion when opened up will give the car a nice rumble.

Originally Posted by chad.orourke
I know the power gains will come with pretty much any cam...but I want a pleasing sound more than anything else. I dont want to modify mine any more than bolt ons +head/cam work so I would like to get the cam right on the 1st go round. I love the choppy idle, but i dont want to take anything away from a daily driver. While I realize most people arent after a sound, I am, as I think otherwise the car is damn near perfect. I wont be throwing a blower on or anything that extreme. I just really want a sound that isnt such a pussycat.
There is no such a thing as choppy daily driver cam, just like there is no such thing as a woman a little bit pregnant...

Max out your bolt-on options w/ 3.7X or 3.90 gears and enjoy the car. Getting a cam that will not effect your daily drive ability is a waste of money mod.


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Old Jul 18, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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I'm shocked that no one has jumped all over my prev. reply
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Old Jul 18, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by C6 DVL
I'm shocked that no one has jumped all over my prev. reply
For the first time ever, everyone agrees on something!
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Old Jul 21, 2009 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by C6 DVL
I'm not sure anyone read that. If this is your daily driver, then NO CAM FOR YOU!!!
Weather it's a baby cam or a wild cam, the price is the same. $1,800 to $2,200 installed by any prof. corvette tuner. To pay 2K and get only 30rwhp/20rwtq for a "Daily Driver Cam" is a waste of money. You can gain more power from a F.A.S.T. intake & Vararam. Those mods are always reversible when you are ready to trade-up. The headers w/ BB fusion when opened up will give the car a nice rumble.


There is no such a thing as choppy daily driver cam, just like there is no such thing as a woman a little bit pregnant...

Max out your bolt-on options w/ 3.7X or 3.90 gears and enjoy the car. Getting a cam that will not effect your daily drive ability is a waste of money mod.


here's a video of my vette
ECS H/C
LG LT headers
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(08 LS3 C6)

Interesting...so then maybe skip the cam. I just want to get all the bolt ons and i figured a head/cam package is usually the ideal way to go when doing either. I want the car to really open up, but i dont think i would like surging from what I am hearing. In an ideal world i would get to 500 rear wheel, but again want to avoid power adders to do it, as well as avoid pulling the motor (for stroking or the likes). I would probably feel a little better about a cam swap if i knew what this surging and low RPM drivability loss was actually like
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Originally Posted by chad.orourke
Interesting...so then maybe skip the cam. I just want to get all the bolt ons and i figured a head/cam package is usually the ideal way to go when doing either. I want the car to really open up, but i dont think i would like surging from what I am hearing. In an ideal world i would get to 500 rear wheel, but again want to avoid power adders to do it, as well as avoid pulling the motor (for stroking or the likes). I would probably feel a little better about a cam swap if i knew what this surging and low RPM drivability loss was actually like
also keep in mind, once you get pass 440rwhp, you will be shopping for a clutch upgrade within a yr....... at $2,500 installed its not cheap.

H/C drivability loss from idle to 2,000rpms. north of 2K everything is smoothe sailing. To get the most out of your cam, you'll need gears as well .....it doesnt end.

Do "all" the bolt-ons and if then you want to add real HP, get a s/c kit
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Old Jul 21, 2009 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chad.orourke
Interesting...so then maybe skip the cam. I just want to get all the bolt ons and i figured a head/cam package is usually the ideal way to go when doing either. I want the car to really open up, but i dont think i would like surging from what I am hearing. In an ideal world i would get to 500 rear wheel, but again want to avoid power adders to do it, as well as avoid pulling the motor (for stroking or the likes). I would probably feel a little better about a cam swap if i knew what this surging and low RPM drivability loss was actually like
Ahhhhh shoot. No guts..no glory. A cam can be added that will provide a nice bump in HP without too many issues. If you add rear end gearing to the mix, you can get a little more agressive on the cam.

If you're looking for 500 at the wheels with no issues, F/I or nitrous is your only answer. Those N/A that have 500 rwhp with no issues don't have the same definition or "no issues" that I do.

With an LS2 and no head swap, you won't get close to 500 even with a lumpy cam. If you can open the check book a little, 500 is easy with a centri supercharger. You can keep your manners and fuel eco too. Kind of win=win. Lots of folks spend the money on a cam swap and end up F/I in the long run. If you even think you might want the extra power, save your coins for the F/I setup. The cam swap is a waste if you eventually wind up F/I.

If you're set on a cam swap, mid 220's on the intake with a little more on the exhaust on a 114LSa will get you a nice increase without too many bad habits. Same cam on a 116LSA might make a pretty good blower cam too.
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Old Jul 21, 2009 | 11:47 PM
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F/I makes me sad...but for the sake of argument who makes a good one and what is the going price?
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Old Jul 21, 2009 | 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chad.orourke
F/I makes me sad...but for the sake of argument who makes a good one and what is the going price?
?? SOME UNITS GET VERY HOT IN THE SUMMER..
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Old Jul 21, 2009 | 11:59 PM
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The car in the video of the cam sound you like belongs to forum member darthstimpy. Try PMing him and asking what his mods are.
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Old Jul 22, 2009 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by chad.orourke
Driveability is #1 then power then sound. thoughts?
if that's the case then I'd look for a cam with negative overlap @.050 duration(add intake and exhaust durations then divide by 2 and subract the lsa multiplied by 2) this should help minimize surging...my custom 218/230 116 can literally be lugged around at 1k rpms just like stock

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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chad.orourke
I would probably feel a little better about a cam swap if i knew what this surging and low RPM drivability loss was actually like
The only way to know what this is like is to ride in a car with a cam that's like the one you think that you'll end up installing in your car. This is too subjective to "know" based on written words.

Also, I have question for you. Does your car surge or have any lope, now? My Vette did both when it was stock, as did my prior Vette. My 1991 Suburban does both as does my wife's Porsche. When I installed the cam/heads it just amplified the existing lope and surge because the valves are open more now, consequently, the vacuum is lower and that contributes to these forms of "roughness."

I hope this helps.
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 11:43 PM
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i made a car
LG headers LG xpipe
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tune ,,, made 450 RWHP on dyno jet
Daily use ,, lovely car
i will go for lg
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Old Jul 26, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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My advice is to get the GM Hot Cam. It is very reasonably priced, designed and made by GM, EZ to tune, and has very reasonable specs. Power gains are very respectable. A national performance magazine recently did a dyno test comparing several different cams, and the Hot Cam was right in the ballpark.

It DOES have a nice sounding, musclecar type idle, AND it is very mild mannered on the street. No surging, crummy throttle response or poor gas mileage, will easily pass an emissions test.

With regard to the various specs, duration is the number of degrees of rotation that the valves are open. The first number is the intake valve, the second is the exhaust valve. A "straight pattern" cam has the duraton the same for both valves, while a "split duration" has different durations for each valve. Most split duration cams have more duration on the exhaust side, to aid in scavenging the cylinder of combustion gases, make room for the air/fuel mix coming in. Since you have long-tube headers, this is not so important for you.

Overall duration is what creates more power, especially at higher RPMs. It also is what creates overlap, which is when both the intake and the exhaust valves are open at the same time. This is what creates the choppy idle.

Lift is the height in inches that the camshaft will open the valve. OEM performance cams typically have lift in the .525" range, while most aftermarket cams go up to .575" or slightly higher. Above that, (say .600" lift) requires very stiff valvesprings that only last for 20K miles or so, and possibly increased valvetrain noise. FOr a daily driver, not recommended.

Lobe separation angle (LSA) is the relationship between the two valve events. OEM cams have very wide LSA's (117+), resulting in a very smooth idle, smooth power curve, low emissions. Aftermarket performance cams have much tighter LSAs, typically 112 or 114. THe Hot Cam has a 112 LSA, which gives it a slightly choppy idle, and great midrange, but it also has fairly mild duration and lift. Great combo for a daily driver.
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