Need cam suggestions...
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Need cam suggestions...
So i went ahead and made the plunge on the Kooks long tubes and BB fusion exhaust. It is still on the way but when it gets here I think I will be pretty satisfied. While searching for the sound i wanted I looked up vids on the internet to get a feel for what certain exhausts would sound like and I stumbled upon this little gem...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R-E-Dy6Tag
This is EXACTLY how I want mine to sound, but I need some info.
Obviously he has the same setup for headers and exhaust as me, but the vid caption says head and cam work as well with no further details, so I have some questions.
1. Does anyone know of a head/cam package that would give me this sound?
2. I know little about cams, so maybe a little about how the numbers work would be appreciated.
3. What kind of low RPM driveability would I be looking at with something like this?
4. If I do find what im looking for I plan to have it professionally installed and tuned. What kind of price would I be looking at for something like that?
5. I had more questions but i forget them now that I can post. Any help is appreciated tho.
2007 corvette z51 M6
Kooks 1 3/4 LT
BB Fusion pipes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R-E-Dy6Tag
This is EXACTLY how I want mine to sound, but I need some info.
Obviously he has the same setup for headers and exhaust as me, but the vid caption says head and cam work as well with no further details, so I have some questions.
1. Does anyone know of a head/cam package that would give me this sound?
2. I know little about cams, so maybe a little about how the numbers work would be appreciated.
3. What kind of low RPM driveability would I be looking at with something like this?
4. If I do find what im looking for I plan to have it professionally installed and tuned. What kind of price would I be looking at for something like that?
5. I had more questions but i forget them now that I can post. Any help is appreciated tho.
2007 corvette z51 M6
Kooks 1 3/4 LT
BB Fusion pipes
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Instructor
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From: St. Louis MO
anyone out there to help me with this? I guess i saw some answers to the cost aspect, but I would like a little schooling on what to get or how cams actually work, (explanation better than they open your vavles would be nice), and recommended cams to get that awesome sound.
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Most people who want an aftermarket cam have "idle sound" far down on the list of things they want from a cam.
Most every aftermarket cam will give you a different sound than stock. The more aggressive the cam, the choppier the idle.
(most aggressive cams give peak power in the high rpms, making low rpm driveability not such a nice thing.)
You wont need aftermarket heads to get the sound you desire.
Look up LG for the best cam prices.
Most every aftermarket cam will give you a different sound than stock. The more aggressive the cam, the choppier the idle.
(most aggressive cams give peak power in the high rpms, making low rpm driveability not such a nice thing.)
You wont need aftermarket heads to get the sound you desire.
Look up LG for the best cam prices.
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Most people who want an aftermarket cam have "idle sound" far down on the list of things they want from a cam.
Most every aftermarket cam will give you a different sound than stock. The more aggressive the cam, the choppier the idle.
(most aggressive cams give peak power in the high rpms, making low rpm driveability not such a nice thing.)
You wont need aftermarket heads to get the sound you desire.
Look up LG for the best cam prices.
Most every aftermarket cam will give you a different sound than stock. The more aggressive the cam, the choppier the idle.
(most aggressive cams give peak power in the high rpms, making low rpm driveability not such a nice thing.)
You wont need aftermarket heads to get the sound you desire.
Look up LG for the best cam prices.
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If sound is driving your decision, wait until you install your headers and exhaust and drive that combo for a month.
I didn't listen to the clip, but if all you care about is a lopey idle, a relatively low duration, tight LSA cam with an early intake close combined with a 700 rpm idle speed will get you there. Something like a 218/224 112 is fine. The GM hotcam kit is a low cost (for the parts) way to get what you need. No need to mess with the heads if sound is the primary goal. The hotcam and headers will provide a nice performance bump too.
I didn't listen to the clip, but if all you care about is a lopey idle, a relatively low duration, tight LSA cam with an early intake close combined with a 700 rpm idle speed will get you there. Something like a 218/224 112 is fine. The GM hotcam kit is a low cost (for the parts) way to get what you need. No need to mess with the heads if sound is the primary goal. The hotcam and headers will provide a nice performance bump too.
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a TQV2 will sound about like that when tuned out right...put her on a 113 LSA...if you need a CAM kit give us a call we can get you one out! We can tune it to drive perfect no surging or nothing! ... specs on the cam and other info on our website under valvetrain.
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The Torquer 2 camshaft is definately a godo camshaft for chopping & still giving good driveability. We have tons of different camshaft options & with hundreds & hundreds of hours just engine dyno testing camshafts next to each other, I think one of our TSP camshafts can get you the power & sound your looking for!
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The Torquer 2 camshaft is definately a godo camshaft for chopping & still giving good driveability. We have tons of different camshaft options & with hundreds & hundreds of hours just engine dyno testing camshafts next to each other, I think one of our TSP camshafts can get you the power & sound your looking for!
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Ok so The tourqer 2 sounds like a good cam. I may be in the market here soon. So I still have a few questions.
1. The cams specs out like 232/234 this is intake and exhaust valve duration I get this much, but how do these numbers effect the power produced as well as the sound?
2. .595/.598 lift. I know what these are but, how does it produce the power gains is again the question. Why is a steeper lift good or whatever here? How does it effect the sound and power curve?
3. Lastly same thing for LSA. I know what this number is as well but what effects the driveability, and where is the threshold for these numbers that suddenly make a car to difficult to drive or lose too much power on the low end?
You are suggesting a 113 LSA for this cam, but why? What are the mechanics behind all of it?
Thanks
Chad
1. The cams specs out like 232/234 this is intake and exhaust valve duration I get this much, but how do these numbers effect the power produced as well as the sound?
2. .595/.598 lift. I know what these are but, how does it produce the power gains is again the question. Why is a steeper lift good or whatever here? How does it effect the sound and power curve?
3. Lastly same thing for LSA. I know what this number is as well but what effects the driveability, and where is the threshold for these numbers that suddenly make a car to difficult to drive or lose too much power on the low end?
You are suggesting a 113 LSA for this cam, but why? What are the mechanics behind all of it?
Thanks
Chad
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I had the T2 in my LS3 for a while. While it sounded mean and made plenty of power, it had a few issues. Low speed drivability was good, but not perfect. If you can get along with a little surge every now and then, go for it. Select something like a 224/228 with a 114LSA and you'll miss a few HP on the top end, but wind up with perfect manners. Boils down to what is important to you..
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I had the T2 in my LS3 for a while. While it sounded mean and made plenty of power, it had a few issues. Low speed drivability was good, but not perfect. If you can get along with a little surge every now and then, go for it. Select something like a 224/228 with a 114LSA and you'll miss a few HP on the top end, but wind up with perfect manners. Boils down to what is important to you..
Last edited by chad.orourke; Jul 16, 2009 at 11:54 PM.
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As a generalization, cam characteristics that create power cause that choppy cam sound. Conversely, the characteristics that cause good drivability cause a smooth sound. The choppy sound and drivability are at opposite ends of the spectrum. That said, the better tuners can make some fairly big cams (for example, 228/232-232/234 on a 114) quite driveable.
My goals were good low-end and mid-range torque and a choppy sound without too much of a sacrifice in drivability. I picked a 228/232, 600/600, 112 +5 Crane cam and it worked very well. My current tuner told me that he wasn't a big cam tuner but that he could make it quite drivable. He did. I have some minor hunting for a few seconds under certain weather conditions with the air on and some very minor surge at 1500-1700 in second gear. It doesn't happen in 3rd or above. He said he could make that go away, too but I have been too busy/lazy to take it to him. It isn't worth the time.
Don't go too big. Get a good tuner and you'll be fine.
My goals were good low-end and mid-range torque and a choppy sound without too much of a sacrifice in drivability. I picked a 228/232, 600/600, 112 +5 Crane cam and it worked very well. My current tuner told me that he wasn't a big cam tuner but that he could make it quite drivable. He did. I have some minor hunting for a few seconds under certain weather conditions with the air on and some very minor surge at 1500-1700 in second gear. It doesn't happen in 3rd or above. He said he could make that go away, too but I have been too busy/lazy to take it to him. It isn't worth the time.
Don't go too big. Get a good tuner and you'll be fine.
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Old motorheads suggestion or the cam I suggested can both be tuned for very good drivability. I would expect the 224 cam will make more power in the upper rpms, especially 5000 - 6500. the 218 cam will be a little better in the 2500 - 3500 range.