callaway vs. Lingenfelter
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callaway vs. Lingenfelter
Trying to decide between the two cold air intakes. The Lingenfelter unit can be purchased with a Hypertech programmer with MAF tables and a 100mm MAF sensor. With the Callaway unit you are on your own. Anybody have any opinions on the Diablosport Predator vs. the Hypertech Max Energy?
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Both are quality products. The factory computer will adjust AF for either unit after driving about 20 miles at various speeds. I don't think it is necessary to tune after just adding a CAI.
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Thanks for the reply. This car is stock with 2K miles on it and I'm learning about performance options. I have ordered a Diablosport Predator. After talking to Lingenfelter I'm concerned about overall tuning. Do you know what size the stock MAF sensor is? Do you have an opinion on the Predator vs. the Hypertech tuners?
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We have been using the Callaway at the shop now for a few years. We have been completely satisified with their quality and fitment. We also constinue to use because it is the CAI that we have tested to get back down to ambient temps the fastest of any other CAI on the market.
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Tom,
I am not 100% sure on the stock MAF size. My opinion is that is you buy any Cold Air Kit then you should get a custom tune. I have seen two cars kill the ECM from the Diablo's so I would not suggest those at all. I would purchase a program like HPtuners and get a Mail order tune. We sell this type of package for $575.00 The hypertech will not get you MAF correct. Thats why you need a custom tune or something like what we offer. I will dial you MAF in correctly that way.
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I am not 100% sure on the stock MAF size. My opinion is that is you buy any Cold Air Kit then you should get a custom tune. I have seen two cars kill the ECM from the Diablo's so I would not suggest those at all. I would purchase a program like HPtuners and get a Mail order tune. We sell this type of package for $575.00 The hypertech will not get you MAF correct. Thats why you need a custom tune or something like what we offer. I will dial you MAF in correctly that way.
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Just adding a cold air intake does not require a tune. Think about it. Most tunes are performed in a hot dyno room with the car sitting static.
HP Tuners is the best tuning option, BUT the Predator can be a very useful tool. It allows you to monitor and store important engine parameters while you are driving and later adjust them. Then, in a matter of minutes you can restore your stock tune. This becomes very important if you need any warranty work.
HP Tuners is the best tuning option, BUT the Predator can be a very useful tool. It allows you to monitor and store important engine parameters while you are driving and later adjust them. Then, in a matter of minutes you can restore your stock tune. This becomes very important if you need any warranty work.
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There are several decent, true cold air intakes on the market and Lingenfelter and Callaway both make excellent products. IMO a tune is not absolutely essential if you're simply installing an after market intake on an otherwise stock Corvette. My racing mentor uses the Callaway Honker intake which he likes and I've been using the Lingenfelter high-flow intake for years. I prefer the design of the Lingenfelter intake.
I imagine you already know but be aware there are pros and cons to every modification (warranty considerations, potential hydro-lock concerns with a CAI, etc.). IMO a CAI on its own won't make a huge, seat of the pants difference. I do, however, consider a CAI a worthwhile modification when thought of as but one component in your overall modification plan.
Again, my preference is the Lingenfelter high-flow intake but you can't go wrong with either.
I imagine you already know but be aware there are pros and cons to every modification (warranty considerations, potential hydro-lock concerns with a CAI, etc.). IMO a CAI on its own won't make a huge, seat of the pants difference. I do, however, consider a CAI a worthwhile modification when thought of as but one component in your overall modification plan.
Again, my preference is the Lingenfelter high-flow intake but you can't go wrong with either.
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Just adding a cold air intake does not require a tune. Think about it. Most tunes are performed in a hot dyno room with the car sitting static.
HP Tuners is the best tuning option, BUT the Predator can be a very useful tool. It allows you to monitor and store important engine parameters while you are driving and later adjust them. Then, in a matter of minutes you can restore your stock tune. This becomes very important if you need any warranty work.
HP Tuners is the best tuning option, BUT the Predator can be a very useful tool. It allows you to monitor and store important engine parameters while you are driving and later adjust them. Then, in a matter of minutes you can restore your stock tune. This becomes very important if you need any warranty work.
We always street tune our cars before ever putting them in a dyno room. Any good tuner will do that to put your MAF table in line with what it should be. Anytime you want to take a ride with me after installing any CAI on a car I would be happy to show just how far out it makes the car. I just had a C6 Z06 come into the shop with just a vararam added to the car....his hp 386rwhp. After getting this car tuned I had it up to 467rwhp where it should be. Want guess how far out furel trims were. Also look at Lingenfelters CAI or the Killer Bee. You will see they release new MAF frequencies to put into the computer as a starting point. I doubt they did this just for the fun of it. IMHO you are wasting your money on a CAI if you do not at least go get a proper street tune with it.
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We always street tune our cars before ever putting them in a dyno room. Any good tuner will do that to put your MAF table in line with what it should be. Anytime you want to take a ride with me after installing any CAI on a car I would be happy to show just how far out it makes the car. I just had a C6 Z06 come into the shop with just a vararam added to the car....his hp 386rwhp. After getting this car tuned I had it up to 467rwhp where it should be. Want guess how far out furel trims were. Also look at Lingenfelters CAI or the Killer Bee. You will see they release new MAF frequencies to put into the computer as a starting point. I doubt they did this just for the fun of it. IMHO you are wasting your money on a CAI if you do not at least go get a proper street tune with it.
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No what I am saying is that with the addition of the CAI and no tune on a C6 Z06 the customer actually lost a lot of power because it threw the MAF that far out of whack. I had to bring it back into line after he brought it to me to get the power back. That is why I strongly suggest getting a tune with a CAI. I have seen this happen on a few cars, not all to that extent, but I have seen a good bit.
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Just adding a cold air intake does not require a tune. Think about it. Most tunes are performed in a hot dyno room with the car sitting static.
HP Tuners is the best tuning option, BUT the Predator can be a very useful tool. It allows you to monitor and store important engine parameters while you are driving and later adjust them. Then, in a matter of minutes you can restore your stock tune. This becomes very important if you need any warranty work.
HP Tuners is the best tuning option, BUT the Predator can be a very useful tool. It allows you to monitor and store important engine parameters while you are driving and later adjust them. Then, in a matter of minutes you can restore your stock tune. This becomes very important if you need any warranty work.
I came across this thread last night...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...ket-tunes.html
I am about to get american racing headers, w/tune from the vette doctors. Tuning your powertrain can void your powertrain warranty. And restoring you settings can possibly be detected as well as swapping ECU's.
