I think that's a fair statement.

Very fast indeed.

San

 

You could stand to learn a good bit more about the C6 Z06.

Well, to others familiar with the history of the C6 Z06, it has run a completely showroom stock 10 second quarter mile.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/05/1...-on-run-flats/

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-1-4-mile.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...fast-list.html

The fact that a Z06 has run 10.981 @128.90 on it's stock Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar runflats, tells me all I need to know about the actual mechanical capabilities of the car General Motors gave us in the C6 Z06. It is a modern marvel of automotive excellence.

Furthermore, there are now 7 examples of C6 Z06 cars and drivers which have run 10 second quarter mile times with just a switch to drag radials. Which are practically a necessity for obtaining the best possible times for cars at this power level. 5 forum cars are on that list. 2 more are known of on this board. One just recently.

Indeed, about twenty 10 second time slips have been produced stock and on drag radials in the C6 Z06..
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...r-the-z06.html


Finally, you mention the Z06 being a "low 11 second car". On the day Jamie Furman ran 10.981 compeletely bone stock and on stock runflats, he had also run 11.08 @128 mph and 11.02 @ 129 mph with the same runflat tires.

There are several examples of 11.1xx on stock Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar runflats.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...-129-50-a.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/1572381429-post854.html

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...the-track.html

And it makes me wonder, what those times would have been had the Z06 been running on the Michelin Runflats as the ZR1 is.

 

Right, a low 11 second car

 

I'll take a "low 11 second car". Especially considering what it is capable of with a tire other than it's runflats on it. Beats a low 12 second car

If one wants to argue that the Z06 is not a 10 second car on it's stock tires,.....

First off, it has run 10 seconds on it's stock runflat tire, and secondly, if it's not a 10 second capable car on it's stock tires, then it's certainly close enough.

Several examples of a change to drag radials yielding 10 second times, is not something which can be said of a whole lot of cars out there.

 

Some people just will never give the Z06 credit. I think it's a great point you make about the stock ZR1 tires QS, they do offer improved grip over the Goodyears which is why GM made the switch in the first place.

The Z06 is somewhat handicapped by GM's use of the runflat tires, they are far from being the best tire available. Running tires with more grip brings the hidden potential to light, IMO the Z06 is a ten second capable car with traction.

 

And the right driver

 

No doubt! But at the same time a lousy driver who can't get out of the 13's with a Z06 doesn't mean the Z06 is a 13 sec car

 

Right, but I think basing how fast a car can go in the 1/4mi is subjective. Same as on a track.

Let me try and put it this way. The maximum score in tenpin bowling is 300. That means it's possible for a bowling ball to travel down the lane, and knock out all 10 pins.

If John Smith goes out and bowls a perfect game, meaning 12 strikes in a row for a perfect score of 300, that means he is a very good bowler.

If I then go tell my friends, hey guys I use the same bowling ball as John Smith, it's capable of scoring 300. My friends would say, really well what is your best score? 220.

Just because the car is capable in the right hands to do something, doesn't exactly mean everyone else is going to do it, and it doesn't mean that people should go off bragging that they have a 10 sec drag car.

The car itself may be able to do a 10.5 (example time only), under a perfect computer simulation. But when you throw humans and our reaction times into the mix, it seems illogical to think that we would be able to best a computer, and it seems unlikely that we would be able to hit that perfect number where the car is pushed to 100% of its limitations and get a 10.5 (example time only). Think about the GT-R, all you have to do is gas it and it will haul ***. The computer does all of the thinking. Humans < Computers when it comes to on the fly calculations and precision decisions.

I love the Z06 and the ZR1, maybe the Z06 even more because it manages ZR1 times with 133hp less (and less weight). To give credit where credit is due, the Z06 is definitely a beast regardless of a 1/4mi time being in the 11s or in the 10s. My world doesn't revolve around drag strip times, but to some thats what they live and breathe, and they will fight tooth and nail to say the Z06 is a 10sec car - that's fine, its just a number to me

 

with all of the above. All are good points. And here is a man ignorant of the fact that a Z06 had run a 10 second time on stock runflats over 2 years ago, being one of the most vocal Z06 detractors on this board and being unwilling to acknowledge it's supercar status.

His lack of knowledge about the track records the car has set so far, go a long way towards explaining some of the tripe he writes about the Z06.

I see his other Corvette buddy on the "import" board, who had the wheel debacle over here, and used to try and argue with me about the virtues of the Z06, used to get downright angry whenever the Z06 was brought up, is now over on that board saying that he is contemplating getting rid of his base C6 and buying a Z06.

Indeed, 19 ten second quarter mile passes have been made in Z06s with only a change to drag radials.

One can make up their own mind as to if the Z06 is a ten second car or not

Of course, as PHP points out, the driver is the biggest and most influential of many variables in any of these passes we see documented on the board.

It is brought up often, but I'd throw this out there too. A modded C6, modded to the point of being powerful enough to take on a Z06 in a drag race, would need a driver of significant skill level as well.

So the adage "I can mod my C6 to smoke a Z06" comes with a caveat as well.

Yes, indeed one can. But if that car is moded to that point, it is still likely going to need a driver as good, if not better than the one as in the Z06, so mods by themselves, won't do it.

 

 

Well, your argument is a bit curious in that I don't think that anyone would deny what you state above in bold.

"Just because the car is capable in the right hands to do something, doesn't exactly mean everyone else is going to do it,"

I don't think anyone has said that. At least I hope no one has.

The point though is, GM has engineered a machine, a Z06, which is evidently capable of a 10 second quarter mile time, because it has done so.

That's not theory, nor speculation. That's not: "I know that it never has, but I bet/believe that it could if this or that...." No, it's none of that. Their machine, as it left the factory, down to it's runflats, has actually done so.

Not theory, it's actually done it. For that, it and it's manufacturer, deserve a great deal of credit.

One could argue the following way too:

If it were not a 10 second car, then that would mean that Furman, Ranger, and anyone else who cared to do so, could spend the rest of their lives beating the hell out of Z06s and never get a 10 second time.......You can't get blood out of a turnip. You can beat on a stock base C6, or stock Camaro, until the cows come home, and it will never yield a 10 second time, thus it is not a 10 second car.

The Z06 has done so though and in completely stock form down to the paper filter and original equipment runflat tires. So there is no theory as to if it can do it. It has.

Furman proved, that if you get it all just right, weather, track prep, launch, everything, if it all comes together, then it will run a 10 second time bone stock. Not "might" run a 10 second time, will/did run a 10 second time. In the books of many, that makes it a 10 second car.

One could argue that way . I don't because "low 11 second" vs "10 second" really doesn't matter so much to me. The fact that this car is capable of so much, and yet can still be driven virtually anywhere you want to drive it, with a 5 year 100K mile warranty, and for less than $64K, brand new, is what is so amazing to me.

But this "turnip" the C6 Z06, yielded a 10 second quarter mile completely stock time, so the car evidently has it in it. It's been seen.

But to some of your other points:

I can hand you a match grade pistol. Just because you are inaccurate with it, doesn't make it any less of a match grade pistol.

Just because the driver is not skilled enough to do it, does not mean that the car is not a 10 second or 11 second car 12 second car whatever.

If I hand you John Force's car, and you can only run 11s with it, it doesn't mean that the car is not a 5 second car.

All it means is that you could not drive it to it's full potential.

If I give you Dale Earnhardt Jr's car and you get lapped 30 times on an oval, it's not an indication that the car was not capable, but rather the driver.

Track times are quoted all the time when people discuss their cars,

How many times have you heard people say: "It goes 0-60 in x amount of seconds" or other such flattering statements about their cars. Can they run it 0-60 in that time?

The ZR1 has also run the Nürburgring in a time of 7:26.4. It is referenced often, but I doubt that a single soul on any of these boards could approach that. But that doesn't mean that the ZR1 is not a 7:20s car.

 

'06 Quicksilver Z06 I think we're saying the same thing in the end, except I'm starting from one side and you're starting from the other side, and we're meeting in the middle coming to the same conclusion.

The pistol itself relies on the shooter - as a car relies on the driver. That was my whole point. The car is capable of doing 10s, but is the driver?

 

Well, perhaps we are saying the same thing, but your way of saying it is a bit curiuos to me, and that's fine too.

Like I say, "low 11 second" vs "high 10 second" doesn't matter to me. If I have $999,999,000.99, then as far as I'm concerned, I'm a billionaire.

If the Z06 is running as many 11 flats and 11.1s on runflats as I have seen documented in here on this forum, then that's fast enough for me, and close enough to it being referred to as a "ten second car".

It ain't the bow or the arrow, it's the archer. But if the archer's skill set is not up to the capabilities of the bow, then don't blame the bow.

Don't say that the bow is not all that it is said to be, because it's not the bow's fault. It is no less quality or well made, and deserves no fewer accolades, just because the archer didn't have enough skill to use it to it's maximum capabilities, as to how it was built.

Don't rate the product lower, don't rate the product a peg down, just because some have not developed the skill and the discipline to use it to it's maximum built and engineered capabilities.

It goes without saying, that not everyone is going to be able to get 10s out of the car.

I don't think anyone would try and argue otherwise.

But consider this. Not everyone is going to get 10s out of ZR1 either. Indeed, most owners aren't.

Does that mean that the ZR1 is not a 10 second car?

I believe the GM spec on it is 11.4 BTW while the GM spec on the Z06 is 11.7.

 

What kind of bowling ball is a regular C6? lol

 

Couldn't find a bowling ball, but what about this pinball machine!

 

This thread went downhill in a hurry. Maybe the hijackers could get back to the original question from the OP (or start a new thread).

San

 

How is it "downhill"?

It is a discussion on the LS3 and the LS7, and from what we see above, we are talking about the LS7 at this point in the discussion.

 

Downhill how?? Again it seems some people are irked when facts and numbers are brought up instead of hearsay and rumors.

ie: when people claim the LS7 isn't that great of a motor and has reliability problems when pushed.....the thread is going uphill. But when we list documented 10 sec timeslips and the Z06's positive attributes suddenly the thread is now going downhill.

To sum it up, talking trash about the LS7 is fine, talking positive about the Z06 is intolerable.

 

To say that the LS9 is a slightly modified LS3 is a bit of an understatement....there are almost no interchangeable parts between the two.

They both happen to displace 6.2 litres though...

 

Thanks for all the info people, learning all the time on the forum. Man the Z06 is already fast as it is and still looks so mutch nicer with the wider body.
Just thought about a third option..... buy the cheapest C6 out there and put a big nice new engine in it......

Would like a 4 wheel drive Vette at this moment.... The Netherlands is packed in snow.... hope I can get to work tomorrow.

Greetings

Mark