....... Andrew proved mid 10's was possible last year so no doubting here either.
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Well I saw the slip but now it's disappeared.
That's nice.
I was typing that Etown evidently has their weather station set up, Dragtimes shows at 4:15 57°, 27% and 29.94 in which is very close to what the slip showed, or a DA of about +135...certainly not record setting conditions for NA.
I tried to go back to double check the slip and now it's disappeared.
Whatever. Frankly, the Forum is normally a great place to freely and openly share information to your Corvette brothers. I don't understand this 'air of secrecy & deception'. If Chazc6 has some secret sauce that Cartek is selling, I might be interested in buying some. But absent facts, the only thing I smell is NOS in the air.
Sorry...but this deception and disappearing posts
and air of mystery disappoints me....and to me, is not what this friendly forum is all about. Just being honest here.
That's nice.
I was typing that Etown evidently has their weather station set up, Dragtimes shows at 4:15 57°, 27% and 29.94 in which is very close to what the slip showed, or a DA of about +135...certainly not record setting conditions for NA.
I tried to go back to double check the slip and now it's disappeared.
Whatever. Frankly, the Forum is normally a great place to freely and openly share information to your Corvette brothers. I don't understand this 'air of secrecy & deception'. If Chazc6 has some secret sauce that Cartek is selling, I might be interested in buying some. But absent facts, the only thing I smell is NOS in the air.
Sorry...but this deception and disappearing posts
and air of mystery disappoints me....and to me, is not what this friendly forum is all about. Just being honest here.
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If more people put time into racing with their big setups we'd be seeing low 10's for sure. Especially in sub 3000lb cars.
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Mid 10's has nothing to do with it...for an all out n/a build mid 10's should be the norm. A 10.5 was a solid run, but slow for a heads/cam record.
If more people put time into racing with their big setups we'd be seeing low 10's for sure. Especially in sub 3000lb cars.
If more people put time into racing with their big setups we'd be seeing low 10's for sure. Especially in sub 3000lb cars.
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Mid 10's has nothing to do with it...for an all out n/a build mid 10's should be the norm. A 10.5 was a solid run, but slow for a heads/cam record.
If more people put time into racing with their big setups we'd be seeing low 10's for sure. Especially in sub 3000lb cars.
If more people put time into racing with their big setups we'd be seeing low 10's for sure. Especially in sub 3000lb cars.
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Chaz,
Here is your slip. I uploaded to photobucket.
If you need anything else just let me know.
Tony B.
Joe,
Haha!! Seems you got your feathers all ruffled up LMAO!!
The only reason i took it down was I wanted to give Chaz the opportunity to post the slip himself and I didn't want to ruin his experience.
Chaz asked me to post it up, so here it is....Relax buddy, its ok.
Here is your slip. I uploaded to photobucket.
If you need anything else just let me know.
Tony B.
Well I saw the slip but now it's disappeared.
That's nice.
I was typing that Etown evidently has their weather station set up, Dragtimes shows at 4:15 57°, 27% and 29.94 in which is very close to what the slip showed, or a DA of about +135...certainly not record setting conditions for NA.
I tried to go back to double check the slip and now it's disappeared.
Whatever. Frankly, the Forum is normally a great place to freely and openly share information to your Corvette brothers. I don't understand this 'air of secrecy & deception'. If Chazc6 has some secret sauce that Cartek is selling, I might be interested in buying some. But absent facts, the only thing I smell is NOS in the air.
Sorry...but this deception and disappearing posts and air of mystery disappoints me....and to me, is not what this friendly forum is all about. Just being honest here.
That's nice.
I was typing that Etown evidently has their weather station set up, Dragtimes shows at 4:15 57°, 27% and 29.94 in which is very close to what the slip showed, or a DA of about +135...certainly not record setting conditions for NA.
I tried to go back to double check the slip and now it's disappeared.
Whatever. Frankly, the Forum is normally a great place to freely and openly share information to your Corvette brothers. I don't understand this 'air of secrecy & deception'. If Chazc6 has some secret sauce that Cartek is selling, I might be interested in buying some. But absent facts, the only thing I smell is NOS in the air.
Sorry...but this deception and disappearing posts
and air of mystery disappoints me....and to me, is not what this friendly forum is all about. Just being honest here.Haha!! Seems you got your feathers all ruffled up LMAO!!
The only reason i took it down was I wanted to give Chaz the opportunity to post the slip himself and I didn't want to ruin his experience. Chaz asked me to post it up, so here it is....Relax buddy, its ok.
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Chaz,
If you need the direct link to the slip, just let me know. Also if you quote me you can just copy and paste link in the C6 Performance thread.
Don't let the haters keep you down...LOLOLOL!!!
Tony B.
If you need the direct link to the slip, just let me know. Also if you quote me you can just copy and paste link in the C6 Performance thread.
Don't let the haters keep you down...LOLOLOL!!!
Tony B.
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Haven't gotten to that point yet, but ask me next winter when the Houston racing season starts back up and I'll show you my mid 10 second cam only slip. Guarantee it. 
Like I said, I'm not trying to take anything away from a very impressive mid 10 second run, but I believe that mid 10's are sorta weak-sauce to be an n/a record. LS1s have been running that for a long time now....the LS2/LS3 vettes need to step it up. VERY impressive run, but I think we have a long ways to go before we see what someone can really do in one of these cars in the 1/4 n/a.
I don't know how I can be more clear that I'm not trying to sleight your run in any way. I'm more-so saying how poor it is that the C6 community hasn't put up more impressive times for a record.
Go back out when you get some good -1500 DA and bring back some 10.3s, which will be a great step in the right direction. Someone is going to show us 9s with a heads/cam setup, it's just a matter of time.
Like I said, I'm not trying to take anything away from a very impressive mid 10 second run, but I believe that mid 10's are sorta weak-sauce to be an n/a record. LS1s have been running that for a long time now....the LS2/LS3 vettes need to step it up. VERY impressive run, but I think we have a long ways to go before we see what someone can really do in one of these cars in the 1/4 n/a.
I don't know how I can be more clear that I'm not trying to sleight your run in any way. I'm more-so saying how poor it is that the C6 community hasn't put up more impressive times for a record.
Go back out when you get some good -1500 DA and bring back some 10.3s, which will be a great step in the right direction. Someone is going to show us 9s with a heads/cam setup, it's just a matter of time.
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Chaz,
Joe,
Haha!! Seems you got your feathers all ruffled up LMAO!! The only reason i took it down was I wanted to give Chaz the opportunity to post the slip himself and I didn't want to ruin his experience.
Chaz asked me to post it up, so here it is....Relax buddy, its ok.
Joe,
Haha!! Seems you got your feathers all ruffled up LMAO!!
The only reason i took it down was I wanted to give Chaz the opportunity to post the slip himself and I didn't want to ruin his experience. Chaz asked me to post it up, so here it is....Relax buddy, its ok.
For some reason today this secrecy (which all due respect I've noticed is common among the Cartek group) is striking me the wrong way.
I much prefer the helpful nature of other posters on this board.Why raise the doubt? To me, what smells funny is not the ET...Robz has been nailing ET records like that for years, good drivers willing to put in the time and make the sacrifices of rear ends and trannies can do it. I myself can get a 1.49 60 foot.
But 134 mph out of a N/A build in +135 DA is very surprising out of 512/440....it's hard to drive your way to 134 mph in that DA from 364 cubes naturally aspirated. Combine that with the secrecy, well...in the absence of facts, people make assumptions. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I just don't understand it. But whatever.
It's all good.
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So good luck to you!! Maybe you'll break it before my 3 year anniversary...hahaha!!!
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Yea...I try to go out of my way to help folks and explain anything, the Subfloor is another who does that, Ranger & Robz come to mind, others, these gents have helped me and others a lot. Many others do. Like me they post up scans, give lots of help. Not just little snippets of data.
For some reason today this secrecy (which all due respect I've noticed is common among the Cartek group) is striking me the wrong way. I much prefer the helpful nature of other posters on this board.
Why raise the doubt? To me, what smells funny is not the ET...Robz has been nailing ET records like that for years, good drivers willing to put in the time and make the sacrifices of rear ends and trannies can do it. I myself can get a 1.49 60 foot.
But 134 mph out of a N/A build in +135 DA is very surprising out of 512/440....it's hard to drive your way to 134 mph in that DA from 364 cubes naturally aspirated. Combine that with the secrecy, well...in the absence of facts, people make assumptions. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I just don't understand it. But whatever.
It's all good.
For some reason today this secrecy (which all due respect I've noticed is common among the Cartek group) is striking me the wrong way.
I much prefer the helpful nature of other posters on this board.Why raise the doubt? To me, what smells funny is not the ET...Robz has been nailing ET records like that for years, good drivers willing to put in the time and make the sacrifices of rear ends and trannies can do it. I myself can get a 1.49 60 foot.
But 134 mph out of a N/A build in +135 DA is very surprising out of 512/440....it's hard to drive your way to 134 mph in that DA from 364 cubes naturally aspirated. Combine that with the secrecy, well...in the absence of facts, people make assumptions. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I just don't understand it. But whatever.
It's all good.
Well maybe then you will be the one to finally break my LS2 A6 cam only record of 10.844@125.83mph...I mean its coming up on the anniversary of my record run April 7 2009....Been 2years and no one with an LS2 A6 has touched it. They've come close, but its still mine.
So good luck to you!! Maybe you'll break it before my 3 year anniversary...hahaha!!!
So good luck to you!! Maybe you'll break it before my 3 year anniversary...hahaha!!!
Unfortunately 100 degree temps in houston don't make for great ET's, so I'll be waiting until October/November to start seriously running it, lol.
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Yea...I try to go out of my way to help folks and explain anything, the Subfloor is another who does that, Ranger & Robz come to mind, others, these gents have helped me and others a lot. Many others do. Like me they post up scans, give lots of help. Not just little snippets of data.
For some reason today this secrecy (which all due respect I've noticed is common among the Cartek group) is striking me the wrong way. I much prefer the helpful nature of other posters on this board.
Why raise the doubt? To me, what smells funny is not the ET...Robz has been nailing ET records like that for years, good drivers willing to put in the time and make the sacrifices of rear ends and trannies can do it. I myself can get a 1.49 60 foot.
But 134 mph out of a N/A build in +135 DA is very surprising out of 512/440....it's hard to drive your way to 134 mph in that DA from 364 cubes naturally aspirated. Combine that with the secrecy, well...in the absence of facts, people make assumptions. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I just don't understand it. But whatever.
It's all good.
For some reason today this secrecy (which all due respect I've noticed is common among the Cartek group) is striking me the wrong way.
I much prefer the helpful nature of other posters on this board.Why raise the doubt? To me, what smells funny is not the ET...Robz has been nailing ET records like that for years, good drivers willing to put in the time and make the sacrifices of rear ends and trannies can do it. I myself can get a 1.49 60 foot.
But 134 mph out of a N/A build in +135 DA is very surprising out of 512/440....it's hard to drive your way to 134 mph in that DA from 364 cubes naturally aspirated. Combine that with the secrecy, well...in the absence of facts, people make assumptions. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I just don't understand it. But whatever.
It's all good.
I detect that you're envious of Cartek's accomplishments. I mean I remember when you rifled me back when I broke the h/c record with just a cam only. I posted up all data.
What secrets do you want to know? Do you think everyone is coming clean with their secrets? I remember a little thread awhile ago and that person said thats his secret and you met him at your track...So its ok for one but not for another to keep their secrets? I haven't seen anyone share everything, but I did.
Not to bring up an old subject but what about Subfloor? He was asked in the past and it was like pulling teeth getting any information out of him, but you know what, that was his choice, yet you use him as an example...Give me a break! Hahahaha!! He helps people just like others here on this board. You help, Dennis, LS1LT1, RobZ, Tommy D, Spinmonster, and myself, just to name a few of the MANY that help here on this forum.
So to say that others of different tuning shops don't help is way outta line, even for you Joe.....Very surprised in that post Joe, not very supportive of someone who just ran a great time
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Yea...I try to go out of my way to help folks and explain anything, the Subfloor is another who does that, Ranger & Robz come to mind, others, these gents have helped me and others a lot. Many others do. Like me they post up scans, give lots of help. Not just little snippets of data.
For some reason today this secrecy (which all due respect I've noticed is common among the Cartek group) is striking me the wrong way. I much prefer the helpful nature of other posters on this board.
Why raise the doubt? To me, what smells funny is not the ET...Robz has been nailing ET records like that for years, good drivers willing to put in the time and make the sacrifices of rear ends and trannies can do it. I myself can get a 1.49 60 foot.
But 134 mph out of a N/A build in +135 DA is very surprising out of 512/440....it's hard to drive your way to 134 mph in that DA from 364 cubes naturally aspirated. Combine that with the secrecy, well...in the absence of facts, people make assumptions. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I just don't understand it. But whatever.
It's all good.
For some reason today this secrecy (which all due respect I've noticed is common among the Cartek group) is striking me the wrong way.
I much prefer the helpful nature of other posters on this board.Why raise the doubt? To me, what smells funny is not the ET...Robz has been nailing ET records like that for years, good drivers willing to put in the time and make the sacrifices of rear ends and trannies can do it. I myself can get a 1.49 60 foot.
But 134 mph out of a N/A build in +135 DA is very surprising out of 512/440....it's hard to drive your way to 134 mph in that DA from 364 cubes naturally aspirated. Combine that with the secrecy, well...in the absence of facts, people make assumptions. When it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I just don't understand it. But whatever.
It's all good.
many others have openly said i have helped them that are not cartek customers, i meet Chaz at atco when my car was stock, then at etown and atco a few more times, he was a cartek customer then not switched cams and came back for tuning, we all forget that Chaz came up with some very innovative ideas on weight reduction, and posted very informative information on the subject, remember the Z06 cradle mod, remember the cartek c5 rear mod, spin got his gears done there does that qualify him as a cartek customer, he doesn't seem like the secret type remember i went 130 mph with a big stall converter automatic with just cam only, so it would be very believable for a heads and cam to run 134 with a manual
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Haven't gotten to that point yet, but ask me next winter when the Houston racing season starts back up and I'll show you my mid 10 second cam only slip. Guarantee it.
Like I said, I'm not trying to take anything away from a very impressive mid 10 second run, but I believe that mid 10's are sorta weak-sauce to be an n/a record. LS1s have been running that for a long time now....the LS2/LS3 vettes need to step it up. VERY impressive run, but I think we have a long ways to go before we see what someone can really do in one of these cars in the 1/4 n/a.
I don't know how I can be more clear that I'm not trying to sleight your run in any way. I'm more-so saying how poor it is that the C6 community hasn't put up more impressive times for a record.
Go back out when you get some good -1500 DA and bring back some 10.3s, which will be a great step in the right direction. Someone is going to show us 9s with a heads/cam setup, it's just a matter of time.
Like I said, I'm not trying to take anything away from a very impressive mid 10 second run, but I believe that mid 10's are sorta weak-sauce to be an n/a record. LS1s have been running that for a long time now....the LS2/LS3 vettes need to step it up. VERY impressive run, but I think we have a long ways to go before we see what someone can really do in one of these cars in the 1/4 n/a.
I don't know how I can be more clear that I'm not trying to sleight your run in any way. I'm more-so saying how poor it is that the C6 community hasn't put up more impressive times for a record.
Go back out when you get some good -1500 DA and bring back some 10.3s, which will be a great step in the right direction. Someone is going to show us 9s with a heads/cam setup, it's just a matter of time.
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Joe remember bracolle he went 133 on his 10.66 run but other passes hit 134, he was a RPM customer that i helped many others have openly said i have helped them that are not cartek customers, i meet Chaz at atco when my car was stock, then at etown and atco a few more times, he was a cartek customer then not switched cams and came back for tuning, we all forget that Chaz came up with some very innovative ideas on weight reduction, and posted very informative information on the subject, remember the Z06 cradle mod, remember the cartek c5 rear mod, spin got his gears done there does that qualify him as a cartek customer, he doesn't seem like the secret type remember i went 130 mph with a big stall converter automatic with just cam only, so it would be very believable for a heads and cam to run 134 with a manual
many others have openly said i have helped them that are not cartek customers, i meet Chaz at atco when my car was stock, then at etown and atco a few more times, he was a cartek customer then not switched cams and came back for tuning, we all forget that Chaz came up with some very innovative ideas on weight reduction, and posted very informative information on the subject, remember the Z06 cradle mod, remember the cartek c5 rear mod, spin got his gears done there does that qualify him as a cartek customer, he doesn't seem like the secret type remember i went 130 mph with a big stall converter automatic with just cam only, so it would be very believable for a heads and cam to run 134 with a manual
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I wasn't implying that it should be 
Take the same car NOT loaded, WITHOUT a sub and WITHOUT rollbars running in -1500 DA and you'll be much deeper in the 10s.
You are at a great disadvantage with all of the additional weight in your car plus the less than optimal weather that you ran in, which is what makes this particular 10.4 much more impressive, but is even MORE proof why it's silly that it is the record breaking run when you have so much going against you on it.
I have no doubt that if you keep racing it you can see 10.3's and possibly high 10.2s simply from better weather
Take the same car NOT loaded, WITHOUT a sub and WITHOUT rollbars running in -1500 DA and you'll be much deeper in the 10s.
You are at a great disadvantage with all of the additional weight in your car plus the less than optimal weather that you ran in, which is what makes this particular 10.4 much more impressive, but is even MORE proof why it's silly that it is the record breaking run when you have so much going against you on it.
I have no doubt that if you keep racing it you can see 10.3's and possibly high 10.2s simply from better weather
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Joe,
I detect that you're envious of Cartek's accomplishments. I mean I remember when you rifled me back when I broke the h/c record with just a cam only. I posted up all data.
What secrets do you want to know? Do you think everyone is coming clean with their secrets? I remember a little thread awhile ago and that person said thats his secret and you met him at your track...So its ok for one but not for another to keep their secrets? I haven't seen anyone share everything, but I did.
Not to bring up an old subject but what about Subfloor? He was asked in the past and it was like pulling teeth getting any information out of him, but you know what, that was his choice, yet you use him as an example...Give me a break! Hahahaha!! He helps people just like others here on this board. You help, Dennis, LS1LT1, RobZ, Tommy D, Spinmonster, and myself, just to name a few of the MANY that help here on this forum.
So to say that others of different tuning shops don't help is way outta line, even for you Joe.....Very surprised in that post Joe, not very supportive of someone who just ran a great time
Tony B.
I detect that you're envious of Cartek's accomplishments. I mean I remember when you rifled me back when I broke the h/c record with just a cam only. I posted up all data.
What secrets do you want to know? Do you think everyone is coming clean with their secrets? I remember a little thread awhile ago and that person said thats his secret and you met him at your track...So its ok for one but not for another to keep their secrets? I haven't seen anyone share everything, but I did.
Not to bring up an old subject but what about Subfloor? He was asked in the past and it was like pulling teeth getting any information out of him, but you know what, that was his choice, yet you use him as an example...Give me a break! Hahahaha!! He helps people just like others here on this board. You help, Dennis, LS1LT1, RobZ, Tommy D, Spinmonster, and myself, just to name a few of the MANY that help here on this forum.
So to say that others of different tuning shops don't help is way outta line, even for you Joe.....Very surprised in that post Joe, not very supportive of someone who just ran a great time
Tony B.
Didn't mean to imply I was envious - I'm not. I could go faster, you could, anyone could, it just costs money and time and a willingness to break things in the journey.
I didn't say... nor mean to imply... others from different shops don't help and didn't say Cartek folks (yourself included) don't help. I'm a Cartek customer! I have their c5 mount.
In Christopher's defense for a moment, he'll send anyone a A6 tune for free. Now that's helpful!
But so far Chazc6 hasn't helped explain how he went 3 mph faster than the record in substantially worse weather. And I hope he will share some of those secrets. But if not, so be it.
Like I said, it's all good.
Chaz, nothing personal. I do wish you would share the secrets, but if you don't want to, that's your business and I respect that. Great runs as I noted early on. 1.49 is not easy, I know!!
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