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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 01:33 AM
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...as soon as I get a candidate or get some spare time...
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 08:39 AM
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Any idea of an optimum M6 cam for the LS7 heads on a 6.0L yet? I'm not sure how much testing you've completed so far.
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Any idea of an optimum M6 cam for the LS7 heads on a 6.0L yet? I'm not sure how much testing you've completed so far.
A few factors to consider, headers, Static Compression (more to the point the Dynamic Compression Ratio)...but for a 6.0 liter here's what I'd build or recommend.

SCR 11.2-11.5 (DCR=8.6-8.9)

1 7/8" headers x 28-32 long primaries and a merge collector

4.10:1 gears

...cam mildest for this - 234 / 242 @.050 .644 / .652 - 113+3 - great all around from 3,500-7,200 RPM - big lope, pretty good street manners - but I'd stay out of So Cal bumper-to-bumper 405 traffic.

...cam wildest - - 242 / 248 @.050 .656 / .666 - 114+2 - serious street and drag race 4,000-7,500 RPM - nasty sounding, great to cruise the boulevards and race - but otherwise...
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Originally Posted by C_Williams@RPM
A few factors to consider, headers, Static Compression (more to the point the Dynamic Compression Ratio)...but for a 6.0 liter here's what I'd build or recommend.

SCR 11.2-11.5 (DCR=8.6-8.9)

1 7/8" headers x 28-32 long primaries and a merge collector

4.10:1 gears

...cam mildest for this - 234 / 242 @.050 .644 / .652 - 113+3 - great all around from 3,500-7,200 RPM - big lope, pretty good street manners - but I'd stay out of So Cal bumper-to-bumper 405 traffic.

...cam wildest - - 242 / 248 @.050 .656 / .666 - 114+2 - serious street and drag race 4,000-7,500 RPM - nasty sounding, great to cruise the boulevards and race - but otherwise...
You read my mind. I just ordered a 234 / 242 cam (Pat G) on EPS lobes on a 112+2 (IIRC) so that sounds like a decent combo after a few other bills are paid. This means I would have to sell my catherdal FAST 102 but I'm sure that would be a breeze.

Thank you-
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 11:40 AM
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You read my mind. I just ordered a 234 / 242 cam (Pat G) on EPS lobes on a 112+2 (IIRC) so that sounds like a decent combo after a few other bills are paid. This means I would have to sell my catherdal FAST 102 but I'm sure that would be a breeze.

Thank you-
call me when you are ready to order - it will take 4-5 working days on CNC, Valves,etc. -

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I'll do some prelim setup on how these stack up on p/v clearance - they will be much more friendlier in this regard, compared to LS3, because these have the 12º valve angle

You can sell the Fast and buy a factory LS7 manifold - you will probably make some money in the exchange

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Originally Posted by C_Williams@RPM
call me when you are ready to order - it will take 4-5 working days on CNC, Valves,etc. -

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I'll do some prelim setup on how these stack up on p/v clearance - they will be much more friendlier in this regard, compared to LS3, because these have the 11° valve angle

You can sell the Fast and buy a factory LS7 manifold - you will probably make some money in the exchange
Excellent point Charlie, forgot about how well the LS7/LS3 are compared to the LS2 needing the FAST.

I'll keep in touch now that I know which way to go
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by C_Williams@RPM
Below 2,500 RPM this type of combination will give up 15-20 ft lbs of torque and feel "soft" compared to a 235 cc head...it will even up from 2,500-4,000 and after that they will absolutely shine.
will they feel any softer down low than stock LS3 heads?
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will they feel any softer down low than stock LS3 heads?
they will be stronger than an LS3 head - they have less volume and flow more at low lifts..
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 03:44 PM
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Hey Charlie-

I guess I found my next set of heads for my new combo. Seeing how they are 11 degree heads means I can mill them even more than the LS3s to bump up the compression ratio. I'm really looking into switching over to E85 so I want to get as close to 13:1 compression to fully take advantage. Guess I'll be selling my LS3 topend combo.

I don't recall the exact specs of the cam you sold me (ZZ-014) or would it be better to get a bigger cam. I really want to squeeze as much as I can out of the stock bottom end but I still like to enjoy the car on the streets.

-Daniel

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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 07:35 PM
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Anyword on a medium bore config? flow numbers and maby like 66 cc`s

I have a 418 ls3 and 62 cc is too small
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 07:56 PM
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Anyword on a medium bore config? flow numbers and maby like 66 cc`s

I have a 418 ls3 and 62 cc is too small
That's not a problem - I can machine this casting to nearly any size chamber (within reason)
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Old Apr 29, 2011 | 08:21 PM
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The TFS heads are an LS3 head, but with all the heads coming out in the coming out soon it would be nice to see a good comparo on the same motor. Im building a ls3 based 427 here soon and the only real thing holding me back is head choice. TSP is making a small bore LS7 style head along with an LS3 head. Then there is you guy's small bore 7 head. So this is a good time be paying attention.
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Old Apr 30, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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Interesting.....
Is this YOUR casting?
Don't mean anything by that, just a question.

If these things perform like I think they should, I can see a 540 rwhp stock shortblock ls2 in the future...
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Old May 1, 2011 | 07:45 PM
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What's the valve angle on these heads and do they accept stock LS7 rockers? I've been looking for a LS7 small bore head for my LS2 402. It's an A4 car with a Circle D 5C stall and shifts at 7200 rpms.
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What's the valve angle on these heads and do they accept stock LS7 rockers? I've been looking for a LS7 small bore head for my LS2 402. It's an A4 car with a Circle D 5C stall and shifts at 7200 rpms.
LS7 Valve Angle -12º - I looked at the design sheets to be sure - now I feel like dunce because Iv'e got to look over some previous posts and make a correction - I've been stating 11º and I need to correct that.

So yes, 12º - and all the LS7 1.8:1 rockers are a bolt on.
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Old May 1, 2011 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by C_Williams@RPM
LS7 Valve Angle -12º - I looked at the design sheets to be sure - now I feel like dunce because Iv'e got to look over some previous posts and make a correction - I've been stating 11º and I need to correct that.

So yes, 12º - and all the LS7 1.8:1 rockers are a bolt on.
Thanks. Anxious to see some testing on these heads. Need a test subject?
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Originally Posted by BLKTA
Thanks. Anxious to see some testing on these heads. Need a test subject?


I've got several LS3 projects in-house, so I don't need any of those.

If you have a 6.0 or a 402, I'd possibly be open. But, bear in mind that this much cylinder head (on a 6.0) needs a truly optimized setup and 4.10:1 gears.
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I have a LS2 402. A4, large stall with 3.73 gears. track operating range is 5000-7200 rpms.
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Didn't see the valve size listed on the website and was curious. Thanks, Chris
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wow what a killer set of heads!
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