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Was your OEM manifold ported or stock? How much of a diff between a heavily ported (formato stage 2) OEM manifold and a Fast?
As another point of reference, I gained 8 rwhp and 15 tq over a Formatto Stage 2 stock LS2 intake. As many have posted already, it really feels like much more since its across the board. I think my 230/234 114+2 cam is the limiting factor on my engine now.
Joe, I'm glad you like it but I'm curious, how did you justify the expense for 13hp/15tq and the noise?
It's tough to get any serious power from an LS2 with stock ported intake. For those who chose heads and cam (even some FI cars), it opens up the top end breathing to take advantage of the additional mods.
FWIW, I bought mine NIB from a forum member for $750 shipped and sold my Formatto Stage 2 ported intake for $350.
In the quest for never ending Hp, at some point the law of diminishing returns steps in....
It's tough to get any serious power from an LS2 with stock ported intake. For those who chose heads and cam (even some FI cars), it opens up the top end breathing to take advantage of the additional mods.
FWIW, I bought mine NIB from a forum member for $750 shipped and sold my Formatto Stage 2 ported intake for $350.
In the quest for never ending Hp, at some point the law of diminishing returns steps in....
It was the natural next mod after the headers, cam and gears on my quest to have a 10 second cam only daily driver.
Originally Posted by taken19
It's tough to get any serious power from an LS2 with stock ported intake. For those who chose heads and cam (even some FI cars), it opens up the top end breathing to take advantage of the additional mods.
FWIW, I bought mine NIB from a forum member for $750 shipped and sold my Formatto Stage 2 ported intake for $350.
In the quest for never ending Hp, at some point the law of diminishing returns steps in....
ahhh evolution, thanks guys. My next mod is a moderate DD friendly cam so guess I'll be saving for a FAST also
Getting away from my cam thread with the FAST topic... i know the ported stock 90mm TB will work with the 102 but im wondering if upping to a NW 102 TB in conjuction is worth $500+, how much is to be gained from the now 92mm's to the 102 TB?
Additionally, would i need just a new coupler or a new CAI?
I think I read somewhere that the stock TB will support up to 550 rwhp. The NW will make 5-10 rwhp (maybe) and probably not worth the cost of parts and tuning. Run a search to see if you can get any solid data... I would be interested to see any actual dyno graphs.
Most guys get the NW for max effort N/A setups or high Hp applications.
I think I read somewhere that the stock TB will support up to 550 rwhp. The NW will make 5-10 rwhp (maybe) and probably not worth the cost of parts and tuning. Run a search to see if you can get any solid data... I would be interested to see any actual dyno graphs.
Most guys get the NW for max effort N/A setups or high Hp applications.
Originally Posted by taken19
Thanks. I didn't realize that a ported LS2 intake was worth so much, but it certainly made the FAST purchase worth while.
Now this is where I get confused... If I up to the FAST 102 from my Stage 2 LS2 ported manifold Im only gaining 10-15hp/tq but everyone here says its worth it (providing I sell the stock mani). But your saying the 10 hp from the NW isnt worth it?
Also, port or dont port the 102 ($150)? When you guys say its loud, in what regard? Air being sucked in or you can hear more prominantly the already present clicking from the injectors?
BTW I ordered the Comp XER273HR found it under $300 new!
Now this is where I get confused... If I up to the FAST 102 from my Stage 2 LS2 ported manifold Im only gaining 10-15hp/tq but everyone here says its worth it (providing I sell the stock mani). But your saying the 10 hp from the NW isnt worth it?
Also, port or dont port the 102 ($150)? When you guys say its loud, in what regard? Air being sucked in or you can hear more prominantly the already present clicking from the injectors?
BTW I ordered the Comp XER273HR found it under $300 new!
The FAST 102 should give you more low end hp/tq compared to the ported LS2 stocker, from what I have heard and read. As for the noise, you may hear some valve train noise, but I did not notice it. Over all I am very happy with the FAST 102.
The FAST 102 should give you more low end hp/tq compared to the ported LS2 stocker, from what I have heard and read. As for the noise, you may hear some valve train noise, but I did not notice it. Over all I am very happy with the FAST 102.
In my experience, If you have stock mufflers, it is quite a bit louder than factory intake...at 1800-2000 cruising you hear it loud and clear in the cabin. Over the wind noise of the car and loud enough that passengers who aren't car people will ask what is that roar.
In my experience, If you have stock mufflers, it is quite a bit louder than factory intake...at 1800-2000 cruising you hear it loud and clear in the cabin. Over the wind noise of the car and loud enough that passengers who aren't car people will ask what is that roar.
AR Headers, ARH hi flow catted x pipe and Corsa Extremes here...
The FAST 102 should give you more low end hp/tq compared to the ported LS2 stocker, from what I have heard and read. As for the noise, you may hear some valve train noise, but I did not notice it. Over all I am very happy with the FAST 102.
Ok, what will the FAST do for mid and high end hp/tq, roll ons or passing on interstate for example?
Ok, what will the FAST do for mid and high end hp/tq, roll ons or passing on interstate for example?
The FAST 102 gave me great response during the entire rpm range. Granted my ATI UD Pulley and Ported 90mm T/B also played apart in that as well. I drove my car to LMR with the stock "non-ported" intake manifold and then drove it home with my FAST "non-ported" with a new tune and I could tell the difference. I would do it again. The main reason I did my thread is to help other LS2 owners who were on the fence like myself.
Now this is where I get confused... If I up to the FAST 102 from my Stage 2 LS2 ported manifold Im only gaining 10-15hp/tq but everyone here says its worth it (providing I sell the stock mani). But your saying the 10 hp from the NW isnt worth it?
Also, port or dont port the 102 ($150)? When you guys say its loud, in what regard? Air being sucked in or you can hear more prominantly the already present clicking from the injectors?
BTW I ordered the Comp XER273HR found it under $300 new!
I may not have had my thoughts together well enough before... Sorry. The FAST will give you at least 15 tq peak and 20+ in most places on the RPM band. I was on the lower end of the scale with gains. Many others saw 20/20 from ported LS2 to FAST. I saw 8/15 in August Miami heat. Trust me, it feels higher than that.
The NW may be worth 5 Hp (just a guess) up top, but dollar for dollar probably isn't as good a purchase as the FAST. I would be curious to see a dyno to prove. In addition, I think you would have a tough time selling your old TB to recoup any cost. The retune could be more involved with this as well (again, just a guess).
I had my TB ported and figured that was good enough. Not much Hp to be had, but a definate change in throttle response. With the stock TB being good to about 550 rwhp, I say its not worth the money for a NW until you are trying to squeeze every last Hp from your car. From your other posts, it doesn't appear that is the case.