160 Deg Stat.
Drifting
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From: Boca Raton Florida
With the utmost respect for you and the members of this forum....
You guys (Corvette Forum Members) have yourselves worried sick over stuff that you just simply
don't understand. All day long I answer questions from guys worried about oil temp vs. coolant temp
and it's effect on moisture in the oil and nonsense like that....
Last time I checked, oil and water don't mix.....and let's say you poured a shot glass
(which is like 50 times or more than condensation could accumulate to...)
Do you think it would last more than 5 minutes in an engine running at 200 degrees....
When condensation accumulates in your oil fill cap in cold climates, dose it really do anything
in your engine....? Has anyone's engine ever failed from something like this.????
For whatever stupid nonsense reason someone decided to alarm thousands of innocent
middle aged dudes with corvettes, I'll never know!
By the time your engine oil reaches 150 or so, you're good to go. A 160 stat is NOT going to make
it happen any later (only the higher temps) and wether you have a 160 or not, there is no need to
warm up your vehicle any more or less.
AGAIN, guys...Hear me out... WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS...
What the HECK are you worried about and more importantly...WHY!?!?!
Cause some "DUDE" on the Corvette Forum said you MIGHT get moisture in your oil?!?!?!
OH MARY! PLEASE! Tell me another story.
In all seriousness, does anyone out there who might be on the fence give any thought to the
FACT that I've installed 1,000s of 160 stats in 1,000s of Corvettes (and other vehicles)
over the years??? Both in the HOTTEST climates and as far north as ALASKA.....
Someone, PLEASE SOMEONE... Direct me to a post or thread on this forum that links, suggests, implies,
or proves that installation of a 160 stat causes even the SLIGHTEST UNFAVORABLE circumstance....
Show me just one.... Prove it to me. Just the slightest shred of evidence that what
I've been doing for 25+ years and 1,000s of times is WRONG or detrimental in ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM.
Sure, some of you are confused....
But, don't you feel better about it after using some common sense and reading what I've written...
It's a good thing it's SUNDAY night, cause I'm getting tired of these "THERMOSTAT" threads....
Chuck CoW
You guys (Corvette Forum Members) have yourselves worried sick over stuff that you just simply
don't understand. All day long I answer questions from guys worried about oil temp vs. coolant temp
and it's effect on moisture in the oil and nonsense like that....
Last time I checked, oil and water don't mix.....and let's say you poured a shot glass
(which is like 50 times or more than condensation could accumulate to...)
Do you think it would last more than 5 minutes in an engine running at 200 degrees....
When condensation accumulates in your oil fill cap in cold climates, dose it really do anything
in your engine....? Has anyone's engine ever failed from something like this.????
For whatever stupid nonsense reason someone decided to alarm thousands of innocent
middle aged dudes with corvettes, I'll never know!
By the time your engine oil reaches 150 or so, you're good to go. A 160 stat is NOT going to make
it happen any later (only the higher temps) and wether you have a 160 or not, there is no need to
warm up your vehicle any more or less.
AGAIN, guys...Hear me out... WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THIS...
What the HECK are you worried about and more importantly...WHY!?!?!
Cause some "DUDE" on the Corvette Forum said you MIGHT get moisture in your oil?!?!?!
OH MARY! PLEASE! Tell me another story.
In all seriousness, does anyone out there who might be on the fence give any thought to the
FACT that I've installed 1,000s of 160 stats in 1,000s of Corvettes (and other vehicles)
over the years??? Both in the HOTTEST climates and as far north as ALASKA.....
Someone, PLEASE SOMEONE... Direct me to a post or thread on this forum that links, suggests, implies,
or proves that installation of a 160 stat causes even the SLIGHTEST UNFAVORABLE circumstance....
Show me just one.... Prove it to me. Just the slightest shred of evidence that what
I've been doing for 25+ years and 1,000s of times is WRONG or detrimental in ANY WAY, SHAPE, or FORM.
Sure, some of you are confused....
But, don't you feel better about it after using some common sense and reading what I've written...
It's a good thing it's SUNDAY night, cause I'm getting tired of these "THERMOSTAT" threads....
Chuck CoW
First of all, thank you for replying to my question Chuck. However if I knew, this was again cause you to go off, with innuendos and name calling, I would have completely refrained for it. Obviously you are stressed, (needlessly, as the questions are exactly that, mostly innocent, if we do not understand (If I did, I would not be asking), educate us, calmly and reasonably as we are only asking questions, not arguing (I) with you) and probably can use some time away from here, hopefully someplace warm for few weeks. The middle portion of your response would have been more than adequate, civilized and appreciated, the other parts are were unnecessary, hostile.
However I still enjoyed the informal section of your missive, I appreciate and respect your opinions, and you sound like you could be totally right (makes sense). Having said all this, I have deleted your web address from my fav places, I am one person who will not be calling you for any of the services you offer, not because I devalue of your knowledge or service, I simply do not enjoy your argumentative methodology.
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See the sad thing is GS, you cant really fault Chuck. People like Airbus pilot post up and like Chuck posted it seems people on this forum dont work on their vehicles and almost every bit of mis-information I have seen are blown so far out of proportion that it is not even funny.
I come to this site for the deals more than anything else, technical info is few and far inbetween on this site. The drama is out the roof most of the time. If you want real technical info I peruse the LS1tech.com site as people on that site dont seem to be as up tight and argumentative as they are over here.
Hate to say it but alot of members over here really do keep the mentality of Corvetee owners going that I have heard for years, to bad that mentality cant be changed or broken. There are alot of great owners out there it seems.
I come to this site for the deals more than anything else, technical info is few and far inbetween on this site. The drama is out the roof most of the time. If you want real technical info I peruse the LS1tech.com site as people on that site dont seem to be as up tight and argumentative as they are over here.
Hate to say it but alot of members over here really do keep the mentality of Corvetee owners going that I have heard for years, to bad that mentality cant be changed or broken. There are alot of great owners out there it seems.
Burning Brakes
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From: Hartford CT
Chuck, you are spot-on. 
This is one of the biggest things I've noticed about this forum, compared to other forums. Most other forums, the guy on the other end of the keyboard actually works on his own cars or has dirt under his fingernails.
This is the only "car" forum where I read in many posts... "My mechanic says this" or "My mechanic says that". Many people here don't know any more about cars than what their "mechanic" told them or what they've read on the internet... yet they spout off here as an expert.
I see posts from people who are proud of a new polished oil cap or stripes on their fenders.
God... I cannot fathom the panic that would ensue if many of these folks pulled a valve cover off in the middle of Winter to find a white pasty film of goo under it. Oh the HORROR !
Guys asking for a "scientific explanation" as to why a 160 T-stat works ? What do you suppose they would think of a guy running a restrictor plate instead of a thermostat ?
Pure comedy is what it is and these people will never understand how foolish they sound.
This is one of the biggest things I've noticed about this forum, compared to other forums. Most other forums, the guy on the other end of the keyboard actually works on his own cars or has dirt under his fingernails.
This is the only "car" forum where I read in many posts... "My mechanic says this" or "My mechanic says that". Many people here don't know any more about cars than what their "mechanic" told them or what they've read on the internet... yet they spout off here as an expert.
I see posts from people who are proud of a new polished oil cap or stripes on their fenders.
God... I cannot fathom the panic that would ensue if many of these folks pulled a valve cover off in the middle of Winter to find a white pasty film of goo under it. Oh the HORROR !
Guys asking for a "scientific explanation" as to why a 160 T-stat works ? What do you suppose they would think of a guy running a restrictor plate instead of a thermostat ?
Pure comedy is what it is and these people will never understand how foolish they sound.
Just try recommending any oil other than Mobil1 5w30 and you will see what I mean.
Drifting
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From: Boca Raton Florida
See the sad thing is GS, you cant really fault Chuck. People like Airbus pilot post up and like Chuck posted it seems people on this forum don't work on their vehicles and almost every bit of misinformation I have seen are blown so far out of proportion that it is not even funny.
I come to this site for the deals more than anything else, technical info is few and far in between on this site. The drama is out the roof most of the time. If you want real technical info I peruse the LS1tech.com site as people on that site doesn't seem to be as up tight and argumentative as they are over here.
Hate to say it but a lot of members over here really do keep the mentality of Corvette owners going that I have heard for years, to bad that mentality cant be changed or broken. There are a lot of great owners out there it seems.
I come to this site for the deals more than anything else, technical info is few and far in between on this site. The drama is out the roof most of the time. If you want real technical info I peruse the LS1tech.com site as people on that site doesn't seem to be as up tight and argumentative as they are over here.
Hate to say it but a lot of members over here really do keep the mentality of Corvette owners going that I have heard for years, to bad that mentality cant be changed or broken. There are a lot of great owners out there it seems.
Thank you for your kind input TJay. Yes you are right, (darn) human nature, we cannot live in peace and life and stress seems to be getting crazier, not better so we are all de-evolving. Some of the misinformation is also a product of decades of brainwashing by industries with vested interests. One of the reasons I (again) bought a vette is that I can turn a wrench on it (able to do most, and by the book), it is my 4th one and everyone of them got the 160 stat (and lot more). This car is hotrodders/gearheads (doing it for 40 years) dream, with amazing, untapped potential. I am still enjoying this venue and this forum very much as it is full of very kind, helpful people with great knowledge and intentions, and thank you, I will most definitely will check out LS1.tech.
Best regards....
Last edited by gsflyer2011; Feb 20, 2012 at 04:26 PM.
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From: Feverish All Over
The stock stat is 172 (or 176 DegF - I can't remember exactly) - which means the stock stat is wide open at 172 just like a 160 stat is open at 160. Your motor operates at temps near or just above 200 - and gets there in just a few minutes, so a 160 stat without reprogramming the fans does "0" for you....
Melting Slicks
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I know we are getting off topic from the OP request (apologies), but this thread, which had plenty of merit and value to those interested in the topic has digressed.
I have spent years around Fbody websites (2nd, 3rd and 4th Gen sites) and find this site has a far different culture than most. Never seen so many pi$$ing contest....sadly it comes from the same 10%.....ugh.
That said, they are ones who look small...the rest of us just need to maintain. help others, be open minded, share our knowledge, be willing to learn and avoid the "one up's-man ship".
Last edited by JKbride; Feb 20, 2012 at 04:58 PM.
Safety Car
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From: Norman OK
The stock stat is 172 (or 176 DegF - I can't remember exactly) - which means the stock stat is wide open at 172 just like a 160 stat is open at 160. Your motor operates at temps near or just above 200 - and gets there in just a few minutes, so a 160 stat without reprogramming the fans does "0" for you....
And as long as you have airflow the lower opening point of the 160° stat will allow lower running temps than what the stock 187° stat will allow.
Melting Slicks
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See the sad thing is GS, you cant really fault Chuck. People like Airbus pilot post up and like Chuck posted it seems people on this forum dont work on their vehicles and almost every bit of mis-information I have seen are blown so far out of proportion that it is not even funny.
IF YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE, TEACH! Regardless of your stand on the subject. Who knows, maybe you'll change someones mind. Or perish the thought, you'll learn something yourself.
Carry on boys.
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First of all, thank you for replying to my question Chuck. However if I knew, this was again cause you to go off, with innuendos and name calling, I would have completely refrained for it. Obviously you are stressed, (needlessly, as the questions are exactly that, mostly innocent, if we do not understand (If I did, I would not be asking), educate us, calmly and reasonably as we are only asking questions, not arguing (I) with you) and probably can use some time away from here, hopefully someplace warm for few weeks. The middle portion of your response would have been more than adequate, civilized and appreciated, the other parts are were unnecessary, hostile.
However I still enjoyed the informal section of your missive, I appreciate and respect your opinions, and you sound like you could be totally right (makes sense). Having said all this, I have deleted your web address from my fav places, I am one person who will not be calling you for any of the services you offer, not because I devalue of your knowledge or service, I simply do not enjoy your argumentative methodology.
However I still enjoyed the informal section of your missive, I appreciate and respect your opinions, and you sound like you could be totally right (makes sense). Having said all this, I have deleted your web address from my fav places, I am one person who will not be calling you for any of the services you offer, not because I devalue of your knowledge or service, I simply do not enjoy your argumentative methodology.
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St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10-'12-'13-'14
Thank you.
See the sad thing is GS, you cant really fault Chuck. People like Airbus pilot post up and like Chuck posted it seems people on this forum dont work on their vehicles and almost every bit of mis-information I have seen are blown so far out of proportion that it is not even funny.
I come to this site for the deals more than anything else, technical info is few and far inbetween on this site. The drama is out the roof most of the time. If you want real technical info I peruse the LS1tech.com site as people on that site dont seem to be as up tight and argumentative as they are over here.
Hate to say it but alot of members over here really do keep the mentality of Corvetee owners going that I have heard for years, to bad that mentality cant be changed or broken. There are alot of great owners out there it seems.
I come to this site for the deals more than anything else, technical info is few and far inbetween on this site. The drama is out the roof most of the time. If you want real technical info I peruse the LS1tech.com site as people on that site dont seem to be as up tight and argumentative as they are over here.
Hate to say it but alot of members over here really do keep the mentality of Corvetee owners going that I have heard for years, to bad that mentality cant be changed or broken. There are alot of great owners out there it seems.
As a courtesy to customers and potential customers, I regularly offer help in the form of guidance
which is entirely based on fact and or my vast personal experience.
If I CAN help you I do. If I CAN save you from making a mistake, I do.
I do it for FREE and expect nothing in return for it and the time I spend I spend is a gift.
When I see you making a mistake, or I see someone broadcasting incorrect information,
I will offer guidance.
I'm not paid to do it. I'm not required to do it. I AM one of the vendors who spends
upwards of a few hours a day (taken from my very busy schedule and life) to respond and to help out.
I'm not talking about making my ads, but getting into threads like this....
Butting heads with the "EXPERTS" that know more than me.
Only to have people who I'm trying to help say inappropriate things like...
I have deleted your web address from my fav places, I am one person who will not be calling you for any of the services you offer, not because I devalue of your knowledge or service, I simply do not enjoy your argumentative methodology.
starts an argument with me, I'm expected to turn the other cheek and let him tear into me while he
desperately tries embarrass me by proving me wrong???
PLEASE, I'm not your FAV any more? Sorry to hear that, but for every one of you that says that
I get 10 PMs from people encouraging me and thanking me for sticking up for myself and the forum
members that believe in me and rely on my solid information and guidance.
Not many vendors DONATE their time, experience, and expertise on such matters as often as I do.
ANYONE who needs advice from me can have it for free.
Some of you are aware of just how "difficult" some of our members can be.... Some of you have NO IDEA.
I'm here to promote my business, and as often as possible, help out the Corvette community for FREE.
One thing I'll NEVER do....Is do it while walking on eggshells.
This thread has run it's course and the OP now has his questions answered.
If you EXPECT RESPECT... You should start by giving it. That's the easy way to get it.
Chuck CoW
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The stock stat is 172 (or 176 DegF - I can't remember exactly) - which means the stock stat is wide open at 172 just like a 160 stat is open at 160. Your motor operates at temps near or just above 200 - and gets there in just a few minutes, so a 160 stat without reprogramming the fans does "0" for you....
Also, the fan (NOT FANS) just give airflow through the radiator, which you get without reprogramming at highway speeds. Remember the C5 wouldn't turn the fans (yes it had two) on at speeds above 45 mph.
Last edited by 6Speeder; Feb 21, 2012 at 08:43 AM.
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Burning Brakes
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but also helps antifreeze mixes as well (just as you stated)
there is a major plus too, the corossion protection, especially in older cooling setups (aka older cars)
thats why i use it
had a few good conversations about it from various engine builders too, since they are very credible guys i kind of take their word
has worked excellent for me in all the various setups i use it in (again the corrosion prevention is my key benefit)
Burning Brakes
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actually should say there is probably once source that makes them, others stick their boxes around em lol
typically hi-flow are the balanced sleeved types
that open with coolant flow instead of against and tend to be slightly larger and more consistant in opening temp range and open quicker, rather then a prolonged rate
Mrgasket
Milodon
sterwart warner
and a few others are the brand names i see
i don't believe there is one offered to fit a stock LSx setup
typically for the older style cars like SBC's etc... or for the Meziere water pump
i have heard people complain about quality of some of these, so i typically stay with robert shaw
perhaps some of these companies buy the less quality ones and get a discount so their product becomes cheaper???? who knows
when i have used them, or had friends use them, we see more consistantcy and better flow thru the radiators as well
again, just my experience with them (nothing but benefits)
I have had standard stats fail before... NOT fun
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From: Albuquerque NM
Robertshaw makes them
actually should say there is probably once source that makes them, others stick their boxes around em lol
typically hi-flow are the balanced sleeved types
that open with coolant flow instead of against and tend to be slightly larger and more consistant in opening temp range and open quicker, rather then a prolonged rate
Mrgasket
Milodon
sterwart warner
and a few others are the brand names i see
i don't believe there is one offered to fit a stock LSx setup
typically for the older style cars like SBC's etc... or for the Meziere water pump
i have heard people complain about quality of some of these, so i typically stay with robert shaw
perhaps some of these companies buy the less quality ones and get a discount so their product becomes cheaper???? who knows
when i have used them, or had friends use them, we see more consistantcy and better flow thru the radiators as well
again, just my experience with them (nothing but benefits)
I have had standard stats fail before... NOT fun
actually should say there is probably once source that makes them, others stick their boxes around em lol
typically hi-flow are the balanced sleeved types
that open with coolant flow instead of against and tend to be slightly larger and more consistant in opening temp range and open quicker, rather then a prolonged rate
Mrgasket
Milodon
sterwart warner
and a few others are the brand names i see
i don't believe there is one offered to fit a stock LSx setup
typically for the older style cars like SBC's etc... or for the Meziere water pump
i have heard people complain about quality of some of these, so i typically stay with robert shaw
perhaps some of these companies buy the less quality ones and get a discount so their product becomes cheaper???? who knows
when i have used them, or had friends use them, we see more consistantcy and better flow thru the radiators as well
again, just my experience with them (nothing but benefits)
I have had standard stats fail before... NOT fun
Former Vendor
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YES, absolutely.
No. Stock is a 187, and it's not like a light switch, open or closed. It just "starts" to open at 187, zero to very little flow. It's fully open at mid 190's.
Also, the fan (NOT FANS) just give airflow through the radiator, which you get without reprogramming at highway speeds. Remember the C5 wouldn't turn the fans (yes it had two) on at speeds above 45 mph.
Also, the fan (NOT FANS) just give airflow through the radiator, which you get without reprogramming at highway speeds. Remember the C5 wouldn't turn the fans (yes it had two) on at speeds above 45 mph.
YES, absolutely. God point. People should take note of this as MOST people don't know this.
Chuck CoW
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After reading comments, my plan is to find a good quality 160, flush the cooling system and add 50/50 coolent/water along with a bottle of Water Wetter.
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