stall converter recommendation
Drifting
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From: Toronto Ontario
Nice. 
Any drag strip/track results, sixty foot improvements at all?
I mean, if I wanted a converter that "feels" completely bone stock then I would just save the $900.00 - $1400.00 (parts/labor/tuning etc.) and leave the bone stock one in there LOL.
There's no cosmically 'magical' converter
that both delivers results AND also feels as if it's not even there.
And no, a barely 1/10th improvement in ET is NOT my idea of 'results'.
If it looks like stock, and it feels like stock then it must be stock, no?
I'm not doubting that it feels like stock and is totally streetable, I'm just curious if it's really doing anything notable (a good converter, even a mild one, will reduce 1/4 mile ETs by at least 4/10ths) for the car's acceleration, otherwise, why bother?
There are other far cheaper ways to achieve such a minute improvement.
Show me the 'before/after' sixty foots and I'll be a believer.
Any drag strip/track results, sixty foot improvements at all?
I mean, if I wanted a converter that "feels" completely bone stock then I would just save the $900.00 - $1400.00 (parts/labor/tuning etc.) and leave the bone stock one in there LOL.
There's no cosmically 'magical' converter
that both delivers results AND also feels as if it's not even there.And no, a barely 1/10th improvement in ET is NOT my idea of 'results'.
If it looks like stock, and it feels like stock then it must be stock, no?
I'm not doubting that it feels like stock and is totally streetable, I'm just curious if it's really doing anything notable (a good converter, even a mild one, will reduce 1/4 mile ETs by at least 4/10ths) for the car's acceleration, otherwise, why bother?
There are other far cheaper ways to achieve such a minute improvement. Show me the 'before/after' sixty foots and I'll be a believer.
All I know is that this particular converter feels really good in combo to everything else Chuck did. Maybe having the 3.42s to go along with it makes all the difference.
Last edited by Polar Jet; Mar 6, 2012 at 10:04 AM.
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So can anyone describe what is different "feeling" wise for a higher stall converter?
With the stock converter, at a red light, you take your foot off the brake and the car will move forward without touching the accelerator pedal. I hear with a higher stall converter you will not go anywhere and mush touch the pedal to move. Any truth to this? What are the other quirks? Reduced mileage?
With the stock converter, at a red light, you take your foot off the brake and the car will move forward without touching the accelerator pedal. I hear with a higher stall converter you will not go anywhere and mush touch the pedal to move. Any truth to this? What are the other quirks? Reduced mileage?
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Neither of you are running a stock-ish LS2/LS3 correct? I've been looking for a ride along in a stock engine car with a high stall converter so I can actually feel what the difference is. I think that's about the only way I'll ever determine whether or not it could be a beneficial upgrade (for me) for a street only / daily driver type of car.
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Neither of you are running a stock-ish LS2/LS3 correct? I've been looking for a ride along in a stock engine car with a high stall converter so I can actually feel what the difference is. I think that's about the only way I'll ever determine whether or not it could be a beneficial upgrade (for me) for a street only / daily driver type of car.
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I brought the car up to Canada from the US and Chuck did all his magic (stall, 3.42 diff, Vararam, AR headers, tune CoW Booster etc...) before I had it shipped to me and therefore won't be able to do a before and after on it. But it feels and drives wonderfully... and is fast as hell! Lots of smiles going on.
All I know is that this particular converter feels really good in combo to everything else Chuck did. Maybe having the 3.42s to go along with it makes all the difference.
All I know is that this particular converter feels really good in combo to everything else Chuck did. Maybe having the 3.42s to go along with it makes all the difference.
if I had a bone stock car and then installed headers, gears, CAI, tuning (all proven modifications by the way) and swapped my stock converter for an identical stock one my car would still be faster (and without that 'alleged' and 'oh so feared' 
converter looseness feeling) as well. That unfortunately doesn't prove that the converter swap itself contributed much to making the car quicker/faster.
Though I have little doubt that your converter swap did in fact help improve your acceleration at least a tiny bit as I'm quite familiar with Pro Torque, they make EXCELLENT converters used by hardcore drag racers and basic 'street performance' guys alike. My very first converter in my Camaro Z28 was a Pro Torque 2800 and it worked well. I've also had a couple of friends that went very fast with their products as well.
But I'm just not sure that this 'totally stock feeling' converter is really helping quite enough to also justify it's cost (which is strictly a personal/subjective choice of course).
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Smart man!
We call them...."ONE HIT WONDERS" or better yet... ONE HIT "EXPERTS".
They own ONE car and now they know what's best for EVERY car and EVERY owner on the forum.
Also, keep in mind that if you don't TRACK YOUR CAR or WALLPAPER YOU HOUSE WITH DYNO SHEETS.....
Then you're NOT real man, you're driving a wossie car, and the mods you've installed are WORTHLESS!
For the vast majority of the WOSSIES out there wanting a nice improvement WITHOUT
over-doing it or making sacrifices....
GET YOURSELF A PRO-TORQUE 2800 CONVERTER!
Call me any time if you're interested.
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While I'm dying to see what a 28-3200 converter would do to my GS, I'm a bit overly cautious. I don't think it's a coincidence that the majority of broken A6s on this forum have aftermarket converters in them. I'm not sure why that is, there are several factors that it could be, but until that seems to be taken care of, I'm sticking with my STOCK converter. You want to 60 better, throw more power at it. LOL. I also don't need to worry about driving thru the converter in the upper revs. That keeps heat and wear down and MPH up.
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Neither of you are running a stock-ish LS2/LS3 correct? I've been looking for a ride along in a stock engine car with a high stall converter so I can actually feel what the difference is. I think that's about the only way I'll ever determine whether or not it could be a beneficial upgrade (for me) for a street only / daily driver type of car.
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Half the time they are completely subjective to one's own interpretation about what is okay or acceptable. I think I'll leave the converter alone. I like the way the car drives stock and I don't race it.
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I read somewhere that GM had improved the shift points in the 2012 A6 and I can say it feels better than my 2010 A6 did. It's also my understanding that the new tranny improvements are ideal for the A6 gearing now.
IMHO I don't think a street only car needs a converter upgrade.........
.........unless, of course, you are boosted!
IMHO I don't think a street only car needs a converter upgrade.........
.........unless, of course, you are boosted!
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Man it's so difficult talking and thinking about things like this. Half the time they are completely subjective to one's own interpretation about what is okay or acceptable. I think I'll leave the converter alone. I like the way the car drives stock and I don't race it.
Half the time they are completely subjective to one's own interpretation about what is okay or acceptable. I think I'll leave the converter alone. I like the way the car drives stock and I don't race it.If I had it to do over again I would've just skipped the converter and just done my supercharger. I only did it because I intended to go with a big cam, but 1/4 mile racing is basically the most boring thing ever to me and I have no need for the converter anymore.
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I wouldn't mess with it either if you don't plan on adding a big cam or racing it down the 1/4.
If I had it to do over again I would've just skipped the converter and just done my supercharger. I only did it because I intended to go with a big cam, but 1/4 mile racing is basically the most boring thing ever to me and I have no need for the converter anymore.
If I had it to do over again I would've just skipped the converter and just done my supercharger. I only did it because I intended to go with a big cam, but 1/4 mile racing is basically the most boring thing ever to me and I have no need for the converter anymore.
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"Racing", by shear nature/definition of the word can almost NEVER be boring.
Now, if one wanted to claim that drag racing is far less exciting than all out open wheel-to-wheel road course/road racing is, then that would be tough to argue with.
Still strictly an opinion ONLY of course but one that I'm sure that many might agree with.
But personally, I find that saying something like "drag racing is boring" is akin to saying that "driving a Corvette ZR1 or Dodge Viper ACR is boring".
Now, if one wanted to claim that drag racing is far less exciting than all out open wheel-to-wheel road course/road racing is, then that would be tough to argue with.
Still strictly an opinion ONLY of course but one that I'm sure that many might agree with.
But personally, I find that saying something like "drag racing is boring" is akin to saying that "driving a Corvette ZR1 or Dodge Viper ACR is boring".
