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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 10:26 AM
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As the power goes up the percentage goes down. Don't laugh, but lube in the trans and diff make a difference as well. A premium synthetic such as Red Line, uses less power, thus more at the wheels.
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by timd38
As the power goes up the percentage goes down. Don't laugh, but lube in the trans and diff make a difference as well. A premium synthetic such as Red Line, uses less power, thus more at the wheels.
Correct there are many ways to lessen parasitic drivetrain loss, whether it be at a constant speed or accelerating. ie clutch or torque converter weight(not just total, but where it's located) driveshaft, rearend gears, CV axles, brake rotors, wheels/tires etc...I've even seen titanium lugnuts
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Old Jan 22, 2014 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Dearborn
Absolutely, you can get any engine to produce less than 100 HP. How much HP does it take to run the car down the road in low gear at 7 mph? Not very much, well less than 100. A drive train will have the same amount of friction loss no matter what the peak HP of the engine is. At a certain speed the HP loss will be the same no matter which motor is turning it. For instance take a C6 GS Vs a C6Z06 in 4th gear at 60 mph on a level road. Drive train loss in both cars will be the same.

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At peak? Obviously the engine doesn't start off making 400hp and stay there throughout an entire run. It builds up, but could you get the 6.0 LS2 to make only 100hp at peak? (sincere question)

Anyway, we're not talking just engines anyway since there is no loss on an engine dyno. We are considering the entire drivetrain. Trans, clutch, TC, gears, wheels, etc. when talking loss.

And I agree the loss is probably the same for a given drivetrain. However, I was curious on the theory of a sliding % loss.
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Originally Posted by BJ67
Has to be a percentage, example, if a 400 crank horsepower motor looses 60 horse thru the driveline, a 100 horsepower car looses 15 horsepower not 60, cannot be fixed
My examples refer to LS2 & LS3 motors & drivetrains from my own experience.

If you want a fixed HP loss for a 100HP motor go to a Honda Forum.
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My examples refer to LS2 & LS3 motors & drivetrains from my own experience.

If you want a fixed HP loss for a 100HP motor go to a Honda Forum.
Can you share a little with us?
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Originally Posted by timd38
Can you share a little with us?
Share what? Comparing factory advertized HP with Dynojet 248, SAE smoothing 5 corrected HP?

I had multiple runs on my '05 'Vette and have had a few runs with my '08 'Vette , thats my LS2/LS3 experience.

Dynos on my SRT4, my Firebird Formula and just for kicks on my '03 Dakota V6 truck.
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