ATF Cooler for '13 GS
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Le Mans Master
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Mine is working fine, even with the FTI 3600 it stays between 185 - 195 in traffic. That's with some really low fan settings that my tuner thinks is necessary to keep the ECTs above 200*.
I'm pretty sure with the fans set a bit higher, I can keep the trans temps down around 180 or so.
I'm pretty sure with the fans set a bit higher, I can keep the trans temps down around 180 or so.
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Just an update on my car as I got around to installing a Hayden 679 on her about two weeks ago. On the way to install it at my buddy's house it was 88° and I was cruising at 80mph on the toll way with no traffic problems.
The trans got up to 185°
.. On the way home from the install it was 85° and humid outside and I was cruising at the same speeds, only this time the trans was reading 135°. It eventually got up to 153° max while as I exited the highway and went into my development, so it DOES heat up fast, but if I'm moving it cools very very quickly nearly 5° every 10-15 minutes.
The trans was getting up to 201*° while doing spirited driving, I've been out racing and it hasn't gone higher than 185° yet and it's been 104° out.
The trans got up to 185°
.. On the way home from the install it was 85° and humid outside and I was cruising at the same speeds, only this time the trans was reading 135°. It eventually got up to 153° max while as I exited the highway and went into my development, so it DOES heat up fast, but if I'm moving it cools very very quickly nearly 5° every 10-15 minutes. The trans was getting up to 201*° while doing spirited driving, I've been out racing and it hasn't gone higher than 185° yet and it's been 104° out.
Melting Slicks
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Just an update on my car as I got around to installing a Hayden 679 on her about two weeks ago. On the way to install it at my buddy's house it was 88° and I was cruising at 80mph on the toll way with no traffic problems.
The trans got up to 185°.. On the way home from the install it was 85° and humid outside and I was cruising at the same speeds, only this time the trans was reading 135°. It eventually got up to 153° max while as I exited the highway and went into my development, so it DOES heat up fast, but if I'm moving it cools very very quickly nearly 5° every 10-15 minutes.
The trans was getting up to 201*° while doing spirited driving, I've been out racing and it hasn't gone higher than 185° yet and it's been 104° out.
The trans got up to 185°
.. On the way home from the install it was 85° and humid outside and I was cruising at the same speeds, only this time the trans was reading 135°. It eventually got up to 153° max while as I exited the highway and went into my development, so it DOES heat up fast, but if I'm moving it cools very very quickly nearly 5° every 10-15 minutes. The trans was getting up to 201*° while doing spirited driving, I've been out racing and it hasn't gone higher than 185° yet and it's been 104° out.
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I don't know how MBB has his, but I can report that I have seen consistently lower temps, around 5-10 degrees cooler, with it bypassed, even with my cooler now being sandwiched between the A/C condenser and the Radiator and with a Magnuson H/X up front. And, it doesn't take long for the ATF temps to get up above 140 degrees either. Nowadays, with some slightly lower fan settings, most of the time it stays between 165-175*, even after a couple of quick blasts. I took a long drive the other day (more than 1 1/2 hrs) and it never got to 180. This Hayden cooler is one of the simplest best bang-for-the-buck mods I've ever done.
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From: Dallas Tejas
I don't know how MBB has his, but I can report that I have seen consistently lower temps, around 5-10 degrees cooler, with it bypassed, even with my cooler now being sandwiched between the A/C condenser and the Radiator and with a Magnuson H/X up front. And, it doesn't take long for the ATF temps to get up above 140 degrees either. Nowadays, with some slightly lower fan settings, most of the time it stays between 165-175*, even after a couple of quick blasts. I took a long drive the other day (more than 1 1/2 hrs) and it never got to 180. This Hayden cooler is one of the simplest best bang-for-the-buck mods I've ever done.
I run mine right up front since I don't have a blower yet. This is Texas..it's 100 degrees at dawn. My trans is usually already at 90-100 degrees when I start my car up. It gets up to 140 degrees quickly and only cools off while driving.
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165 seems to be the spot it stabilizes at during hard driving or dealing with a lot of stop and go
In the past the trans fluid would have been way up into the 200s
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I use the paddles almost full time.. It never shifts erratically until I get above 210 degrees, then the shifts are sloppy. I installed the cooler after the first time I experienced this.
It's in series with the rad. The fluid goes to the new cooler and then into the stock rad.
I run mine right up front since I don't have a blower yet. This is Texas..it's 100 degrees at dawn. My trans is usually already at 90-100 degrees when I start my car up. It gets up to 140 degrees quickly and only cools off while driving.
It's in series with the rad. The fluid goes to the new cooler and then into the stock rad.
I run mine right up front since I don't have a blower yet. This is Texas..it's 100 degrees at dawn. My trans is usually already at 90-100 degrees when I start my car up. It gets up to 140 degrees quickly and only cools off while driving.
BTW: We don't have Texas heat down here, but we have pretty consistent "warm" weather (~80s in the "winter" and 95+* in the summer) and a lot of humidity (I don't know if that helps or hurts).
When I installed the supercharger, I was glad to find that the Hayden fit perfectly into the space between the stock radiator and the A/C core, and despite drawing some criticism from others that had it mounted under the right side of the nose of the car (which isn't an option for me, because my H/X pump is in that location) it works better than ever, even with the Hayden alone providing the cooling. Bear in mind that I have 3:42 gears and a 3600 stall converter and there isn't any time that I drive my car that it doesn't go WOT at some point (otherwise, what's the point?). After bumping the fan settings a bit, I haven't seen TFTs any higher than 186, which is the highest I saw the other day in 95 degree weather.
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From: Memphis Tn
I use the paddles almost full time.. It never shifts erratically until I get above 210 degrees, then the shifts are sloppy. I installed the cooler after the first time I experienced this.
It's in series with the rad. The fluid goes to the new cooler and then into the stock rad.
I run mine right up front since I don't have a blower yet. This is Texas..it's 100 degrees at dawn. My trans is usually already at 90-100 degrees when I start my car up. It gets up to 140 degrees quickly and only cools off while driving.
It's in series with the rad. The fluid goes to the new cooler and then into the stock rad.
I run mine right up front since I don't have a blower yet. This is Texas..it's 100 degrees at dawn. My trans is usually already at 90-100 degrees when I start my car up. It gets up to 140 degrees quickly and only cools off while driving.
thanks
Melting Slicks
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From: Dallas Tejas
That's exactly how I had mine mounted before I installed the supercharger. I also then had mine in series with the stock radiator cooler as well, except that I ran it through the rad first, then to the Hayden cooler. Most people claim it works better that way, which makes sense, since you want your TFTs about 10-20 degrees lower than your ECTs (~170/190).
BTW: We don't have Texas heat down here, but we have pretty consistent "warm" weather (~80s in the "winter" and 95+* in the summer) and a lot of humidity (I don't know if that helps or hurts).
When I installed the supercharger, I was glad to find that the Hayden fit perfectly into the space between the stock radiator and the A/C core, and despite drawing some criticism from others that had it mounted under the right side of the nose of the car (which isn't an option for me, because my H/X pump is in that location) it works better than ever, even with the Hayden alone providing the cooling. Bear in mind that I have 3:42 gears and a 3600 stall converter and there isn't any time that I drive my car that it doesn't go WOT at some point (otherwise, what's the point?). After bumping the fan settings a bit, I haven't seen TFTs any higher than 186, which is the highest I saw the other day in 95 degree weather.
BTW: We don't have Texas heat down here, but we have pretty consistent "warm" weather (~80s in the "winter" and 95+* in the summer) and a lot of humidity (I don't know if that helps or hurts).
When I installed the supercharger, I was glad to find that the Hayden fit perfectly into the space between the stock radiator and the A/C core, and despite drawing some criticism from others that had it mounted under the right side of the nose of the car (which isn't an option for me, because my H/X pump is in that location) it works better than ever, even with the Hayden alone providing the cooling. Bear in mind that I have 3:42 gears and a 3600 stall converter and there isn't any time that I drive my car that it doesn't go WOT at some point (otherwise, what's the point?). After bumping the fan settings a bit, I haven't seen TFTs any higher than 186, which is the highest I saw the other day in 95 degree weather.
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From: Dallas Tejas
Melting Slicks
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Here's a pic of the adjusted unit inside of the bumper:
They fixed the ducting, replaced the shroud, and repositioned the cooler properly. 160° max in stop and go traffic using the paddles on a 104° day. I used to get to 200° in similar conditions.
I sat in my driveway for 5 minutes when I got home and it went down 2° vs. heating up at a stand still like it did stock.
They fixed the ducting, replaced the shroud, and repositioned the cooler properly. 160° max in stop and go traffic using the paddles on a 104° day. I used to get to 200° in similar conditions.
I sat in my driveway for 5 minutes when I got home and it went down 2° vs. heating up at a stand still like it did stock.
Melting Slicks
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Here's a pic of the adjusted unit inside of the bumper:
They fixed the ducting, replaced the shroud, and repositioned the cooler properly. 160° max in stop and go traffic using the paddles on a 104° day. I used to get to 200° in similar conditions.
I sat in my driveway for 5 minutes when I got home and it went down 2° vs. heating up at a stand still like it did stock.
They fixed the ducting, replaced the shroud, and repositioned the cooler properly. 160° max in stop and go traffic using the paddles on a 104° day. I used to get to 200° in similar conditions.
I sat in my driveway for 5 minutes when I got home and it went down 2° vs. heating up at a stand still like it did stock.
Melting Slicks
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From: Dallas Tejas
If you have a skinny arm/hands, remove the shroud, and have a lift...possibly. My side ducting is cut into to allow for the tubing to run from the rad to the cooler without a kink in the line.
Melting Slicks
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From: Dallas Tejas