102mm Throttle Body Options
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102mm Throttle Body Options
I'm finding a lot of info but its leading to more questions. I have a 2008 (first year LS3) So I'm seeing that the TB on mine is from an LS2 and opens backwards? But most of the 102mm options say for LS2 & LS3. So all good on that front? No compatibility issues? As I've seen "gold blade" & "Silver Blade" options for sale in the classifieds where the LS2 style was one color and not compatible. Almost looks like there used to be a difference and now the modern options work for both.
Can anyone easily explain/ simplify?
What Makes a Nick Williams 102mm a $65x part?
Is there something wrong with the 102mm same style (drive by wire) Throttle bodys on the Electricbay for 1/3rd this price in the $200 range.
I don't mind paying for quality/value. Just not looking to pay any unnecessary vette taxes. or waste time and money buying junk and learning hard lessons to go with my new 102 Intake manifold.
Can anyone easily explain/ simplify?
What Makes a Nick Williams 102mm a $65x part?
Is there something wrong with the 102mm same style (drive by wire) Throttle bodys on the Electricbay for 1/3rd this price in the $200 range.
I don't mind paying for quality/value. Just not looking to pay any unnecessary vette taxes. or waste time and money buying junk and learning hard lessons to go with my new 102 Intake manifold.
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So is my iphone. I'm not one to defend china over american made products but was the OEM Throttle Body made in america down to the circuits? Seems a little on the short sighted side of things to ./thread cause the cheaper product was made where everything else comes from. Largely due to american companies making that decision for us. Just like the american sellers on eBay selling this stuff. They benefit as well. I appreciate the input. An if the primary difference is Nick Williams is cranking out his throttle bodies on American CNC machines with american billet and employing american labor and sourcing then fair enough. I'd be surprise if they weren't even more expensive.
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C5 & C6 require Drive By Wire Throttle Bodies. Nick Williams are the only DBW 102 MM TB's
that I know of. Unless you plan to make excess of ~670 HP @ the flywheel I would use the
OE LS3 TB with a V-Max Velocity ring to eliminate the lip at the plenum entry of the FAST 102
Manifold. This will allow for easier tuning especially at idle, part throttle and low speed driving
transitions. The OE 90 MM flows 1150 CFM and made 592 RWHP for me. A 102 is worth
~6-8 RWHP @ ~600 RWHP.
Silver Blade are LS2 rare and expensive, Gold Blade are OE LS3 & Cheap!
The ~$200.00 102's I have seen were all cable driven,
If someone knows of DBW 102 TBs less than $450.00
that are legit I would love to know.
that I know of. Unless you plan to make excess of ~670 HP @ the flywheel I would use the
OE LS3 TB with a V-Max Velocity ring to eliminate the lip at the plenum entry of the FAST 102
Manifold. This will allow for easier tuning especially at idle, part throttle and low speed driving
transitions. The OE 90 MM flows 1150 CFM and made 592 RWHP for me. A 102 is worth
~6-8 RWHP @ ~600 RWHP.
Silver Blade are LS2 rare and expensive, Gold Blade are OE LS3 & Cheap!
The ~$200.00 102's I have seen were all cable driven,
If someone knows of DBW 102 TBs less than $450.00
that are legit I would love to know.
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C5 & C6 require Drive By Wire Throttle Bodies. Nick Williams are the only DBW 102 MM TB's
that I know of. Unless you plan to make excess of ~670 HP @ the flywheel I would use the
OE LS3 TB with a V-Max Velocity ring to eliminate the lip at the plenum entry of the FAST 102
Manifold. This will allow for easier tuning especially at idle, part throttle and low speed driving
transitions. The OE 90 MM flows 1150 CFM and made 592 RWHP for me. A 102 is worth
~6-8 RWHP @ ~600 RWHP.
Silver Blade are LS2 rare and expensive, Gold Blade are OE LS3 & Cheap!
The ~$200.00 102's I have seen were all cable driven,
If someone knows of DBW 102 TBs less than $450.00
that are legit I would love to know.
that I know of. Unless you plan to make excess of ~670 HP @ the flywheel I would use the
OE LS3 TB with a V-Max Velocity ring to eliminate the lip at the plenum entry of the FAST 102
Manifold. This will allow for easier tuning especially at idle, part throttle and low speed driving
transitions. The OE 90 MM flows 1150 CFM and made 592 RWHP for me. A 102 is worth
~6-8 RWHP @ ~600 RWHP.
Silver Blade are LS2 rare and expensive, Gold Blade are OE LS3 & Cheap!
The ~$200.00 102's I have seen were all cable driven,
If someone knows of DBW 102 TBs less than $450.00
that are legit I would love to know.
Agreed that there are DBW 102mm TB's all over ebay that look just like mine and say they are for both LS2 and LS3 applications. Which is what confused me.
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Not sure why Chinese parts EVER get brought up on an American sports car forum. Pretty silly, save up and buy quality.
I run a Made in USA company, and have a built C6 w/quality American made mods that work well; so I might be biased.
For reference, my NW 102 made almost 10hp all the way through on my H/C LS2. Pretty damn solid increase.
I run a Made in USA company, and have a built C6 w/quality American made mods that work well; so I might be biased.
For reference, my NW 102 made almost 10hp all the way through on my H/C LS2. Pretty damn solid increase.
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Wow yes I realize that if I had purchased a car that is several orders of magnitude more expensive that aftermarket parts would also be even More of a premium. I’ll work diligently to wake my *** up and stay woke. I didn’t coin the expression “Vette Tax” I’m sorry it’s so offensive to mention, I learned about it right here on the forums.
Please continue to educate me while making the case in the tech/performance section of the American car forum that your not sure why anyone would EVER want to compare/discuss parts. Just buy American. Got it!
Navy-timd-Mike, thanks for the experience and actual help, I’ve already called my buddy from VMaX (Chris) and getting a transition ring for the Vmax to 102 and it’s even all American Made parts!
Please continue to educate me while making the case in the tech/performance section of the American car forum that your not sure why anyone would EVER want to compare/discuss parts. Just buy American. Got it!
Not sure why Chinese parts EVER get brought up on an American sports car forum. Pretty silly, save up and buy quality.
I run a Made in USA company, and have a built C6 w/quality American made mods that work well; so I might be biased.
For reference, my NW 102 made almost 10hp all the way through on my H/C LS2. Pretty damn solid increase.
I run a Made in USA company, and have a built C6 w/quality American made mods that work well; so I might be biased.
For reference, my NW 102 made almost 10hp all the way through on my H/C LS2. Pretty damn solid increase.
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I did not mean to come across that way Brother...I’m sorry about that.
Currently I’m doing my level best to run an ethical, American product based company. For the past 1 1/2 years I’ve been having all kinds of problems with the Chinese stealing our IP and using it against us illegally. But still no excuse!
I sincerely hope you can accept my apologies.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving Brother!
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I have a VMax TB and a friend that has done some work for them. But had no idea the transition ring was a thing. Much appreciated that will at least prevent the delay of install, sounds like I might not need one at all. I figured the difference would be greater from a physics standpoint the tip in throttle getting that much air that much sooner filling the larger manifold faster ect ect. But results dont lie.An if it ease's tuning in all those areas might save the cash and run.
Agreed that there are DBW 102mm TB's all over ebay that look just like mine and say they are for both LS2 and LS3 applications. Which is what confused me.
Agreed that there are DBW 102mm TB's all over ebay that look just like mine and say they are for both LS2 and LS3 applications. Which is what confused me.
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I'm finding a lot of info but its leading to more questions. I have a 2008 (first year LS3) So I'm seeing that the TB on mine is from an LS2 and opens backwards? But most of the 102mm options say for LS2 & LS3. So all good on that front? No compatibility issues? As I've seen "gold blade" & "Silver Blade" options for sale in the classifieds where the LS2 style was one color and not compatible. Almost looks like there used to be a difference and now the modern options work for both.
Can anyone easily explain/ simplify?
Can anyone easily explain/ simplify?
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The silver blade TB was used up through '08. Starting in '09 the ZR1 required TB's to open the opposite direction, so they used a gold-colored blade to be a quick visual identification. It's like opening a door. You can push it open or pull it open. You can't replace a push open with a pull open and expect to walk through the same way.
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Very nice!
I did not mean to come across that way Brother...I’m sorry about that.
Currently I’m doing my level best to run an ethical, American product based company. For the past 1 1/2 years I’ve been having all kinds of problems with the Chinese stealing our IP and using it against us illegally. But still no excuse!
I sincerely hope you can accept my apologies.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving Brother!
I did not mean to come across that way Brother...I’m sorry about that.
Currently I’m doing my level best to run an ethical, American product based company. For the past 1 1/2 years I’ve been having all kinds of problems with the Chinese stealing our IP and using it against us illegally. But still no excuse!
I sincerely hope you can accept my apologies.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving Brother!
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The silver blade TB was used up through '08. Starting in '09 the ZR1 required TB's to open the opposite direction, so they used a gold-colored blade to be a quick visual identification. It's like opening a door. You can push it open or pull it open. You can't replace a push open with a pull open and expect to walk through the same way.