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05-06-2012, 06:43 PM
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Now, if the car started at $80K and they could charge twice as much for each individual option, a la Porsche, then you might be able to get exactly the car you want with nothing extraneous. But as much as we might complain about having to buy a whole bunch of nonsense to get HUD or navigation, most of us don't want the Porsche model.
So I hope Corvette finds a way to thread the needle between the two extremes.
05-06-2012, 07:09 PM
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I feel the pain about being required to purchase entire bundles of options as a package, but I have to agree with Jinx about the Porsche concept going too far the other way. For giggles 'n grins, I visited the Porsche website to try configuring a car and see how much it would list for. I gave up after twenty minutes of trying to understand page after page of alternatives. It eventually drove me into option paralysis. I couldn't keep looking up their terminology to figure out what each and every choice meant.
So I hope Corvette finds a way to thread the needle between the two extremes.
So I hope Corvette finds a way to thread the needle between the two extremes.
I've only owned two new Corvettes, 40 years apart ('65 and '05) and there is a world of differences between then and now as to manufacturing techniques, inventory control, just in time ordering/tracking systems. If they could deliver a custom ordered Corvette, at a reasonable price then, they should sure be able to do it now, prices adjusted for inflation. They don't want to for stated economic/profit reasons and we have been led to believe it would be cost prohibitive. I don't buy into it!!
Wouldn't be nice to pre-order individual options of a New Corvette from a list like this?
1965 Corvette Options
RPO# DESCRIPTION QUANTITY $ RETAIL
19437 Base Corvette Sport Coupe 8,186 4,321
19467 Base Corvette Convertible 15,376 4,106
n/a Genuine Leather Seats 2,128 80
A01 Soft Ray Tinted Glass, all windows 8,752 16
A02 Soft Ray Tinted Glass, windshield 7,624 10
A31 Power Windows 3,809 59
C07 Auxillary Hardtop (convertible only) 7,787 236
C48 Heater and Defroster Deletion 39 -100
C60 Air Conditioning 2,423 421
F40 Special Front and Rear Suspension 975 37
G81 Positraction Rear Axle 19,965 43
G91 Special Highway Axle, 3.08:1 Ratio 1,886 2
J50 Power Brakes 4,044 43
J61 Drum Brakes (substitution credit) 316 -64
K66 Transistor Ignition System 3,686 75
L75 327ci, 300hp Engine 8,358 53
L76 327ci, 365hp Engine 5,011 129
L78 396ci, 425hp Engine 2,157 292
L79 327ci, 350hp Engine 4,716 107
L84 327ci, 375hp Engine (fuel injection) 771 538
M20 4-Speed Manual Transmission 21,107 188
M35 Powerglide Automatic Transmission 2,021 199
N03 36 Gallon Fuel Tank (coupe only) 41 202
N11 Off Road Exhaust System 2,468 37
N14 Side Mount Exhaust System 759 134
N32 Teakwood Steering Wheel 2,259 48
N36 Telescopic Steering Column 3,917 43
N40 Power Steering 3,236 96
P48 Cast Aluminum Knock-Off Wheels 1,116 322
P91 7.75x15 Blackwall Tires 168 15
P92 7.75x15 Whitewall Tires 19,300 31
T01 7.75x15 Goldwall Tires 989 50
U69 AM-FM Radio 22,113 203
Z01 Comfort and Convenience Group 15,397 16
1965 Corvette Exterior Color Choices
CODE EXTERIOR QUANTITY
AA Tuxedo Black 1,191
CC Ermine White 2,216
UU Rally Red 3,688
FF Nassau Blue 6,022
GG Glen Green 3,782
XX Goldwood Yellow 1,275
QQ Silver Pearl 2,552
MM Milano Maroon 2,831
1965 Corvette Interior Color Choices
CODE COLOR
std Black Vinyl
402 Black Leather
407 Red Vinyl
408 Red Leather
414 Blue Vinyl
415 Blue Leather
420 Saddle Vinyl
421 Saddle Leather
426 Silver Vinyl
427 Silver Leather
430 Green Vinyl
431 Green Leather
444 White and Red Leather
450 White and Blue Vinyl
451 White and Blue Leather
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05-06-2012, 07:28 PM
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05-06-2012, 08:38 PM
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Well, I can only equate this to the Magnetic Selective Ride Control that started in Caddy-land and moved very successfully to the Vette and now to the Camaro. 
While I can see Cadillac and Corvette as separate entities from a marketing standpoint (i.e. not labeled as Chevy or GM), I see them feeding off of one another for a very long time. It is far too expensive for them to develop these technologies all alone and not get the expense spread across multiple labels/generations. Bottom line...SOME version of the CUE will find it's way into the C7, the Camaro, and eventually down the line to other higher end GM vehicles.
While I can see Cadillac and Corvette as separate entities from a marketing standpoint (i.e. not labeled as Chevy or GM), I see them feeding off of one another for a very long time. It is far too expensive for them to develop these technologies all alone and not get the expense spread across multiple labels/generations. Bottom line...SOME version of the CUE will find it's way into the C7, the Camaro, and eventually down the line to other higher end GM vehicles.
05-06-2012, 10:09 PM
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While I can see Cadillac and Corvette as separate entities from a marketing standpoint (i.e. not labeled as Chevy or GM), I see them feeding off of one another for a very long time. It is far too expensive for them to develop these technologies all alone and not get the expense spread across multiple labels/generations. Bottom line...SOME version of the CUE will find it's way into the C7, the Camaro, and eventually down the line to other higher end GM vehicles.
05-06-2012, 10:18 PM
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Guys, please stop feeding CoC6...
Believe me I know. But it bothers me because I'm not made of money. The options I want usually get bundled with something I'd end up replacing anyway. For once I'd like to have an interior I never have to mess with. The problem with the GM high-end radios is that they're linked into everything. If you buy the package that includes 3-4 things you want, but comes with that radio, removing that radio removes functionality in the car, which blows. And considering that - up until now - the radios have all sucked, it makes it a hard decision whether to just deal with it, or don't buy the package and add those components to the car manually as people start selling used C7 parts.
In my C5Z I actually don't mind the radio. To be honest, I like it to a certain extent. I don't really want a touch screen in my car because I have no steering wheel controls. No steering wheel controls means I'd have to look at the radio to operate it. That's something I don't want to do. Currently my hand knows exactly where all the controls are on the radio. So I never EVER look at it except to see what time it is. Considering my hand is usually on the shifter anyway, it's not like operating the radio is a pain. I just extend my hand out. LOL
This is why the C7's infotainment system worries me. If it's all going to be bundled up and it's not a great system like CUE is supposed to be, I'm in for a lot of parts to replace or just biting the bullet.
Crappy for us, not crappy for GM.
That's the way all the high-volume cars get built and sold these days. It's the downside of the great Chevrolet performance value. It keeps the parts supply and assembly lines manageable. It also no doubt increases Corvette's average transaction prices, because...
And for every one of you there are ten guys who will just get the more expensive one. And probably another ten guys who are buying a car off the lot that was optioned up by the dealer.
It's frustrating, but it's not hard to understand why GM does it. They have plenty of financial incentive to do it this way, and damn little incentive financial or otherwise to do it any other way.
Now, if the car started at $80K and they could charge twice as much for each individual option, a la Porsche, then you might be able to get exactly the car you want with nothing extraneous. But as much as we might complain about having to buy a whole bunch of nonsense to get HUD or navigation, most of us don't want the Porsche model.
Fingers crossed. Does anybody know if CUE has hit actual cars in actual dealerships yet?
.Jinx
That's the way all the high-volume cars get built and sold these days. It's the downside of the great Chevrolet performance value. It keeps the parts supply and assembly lines manageable. It also no doubt increases Corvette's average transaction prices, because...
And for every one of you there are ten guys who will just get the more expensive one. And probably another ten guys who are buying a car off the lot that was optioned up by the dealer.
It's frustrating, but it's not hard to understand why GM does it. They have plenty of financial incentive to do it this way, and damn little incentive financial or otherwise to do it any other way.
Now, if the car started at $80K and they could charge twice as much for each individual option, a la Porsche, then you might be able to get exactly the car you want with nothing extraneous. But as much as we might complain about having to buy a whole bunch of nonsense to get HUD or navigation, most of us don't want the Porsche model.
Fingers crossed. Does anybody know if CUE has hit actual cars in actual dealerships yet?
.Jinx
Believe me I know. But it bothers me because I'm not made of money. The options I want usually get bundled with something I'd end up replacing anyway. For once I'd like to have an interior I never have to mess with. The problem with the GM high-end radios is that they're linked into everything. If you buy the package that includes 3-4 things you want, but comes with that radio, removing that radio removes functionality in the car, which blows. And considering that - up until now - the radios have all sucked, it makes it a hard decision whether to just deal with it, or don't buy the package and add those components to the car manually as people start selling used C7 parts.
In my C5Z I actually don't mind the radio. To be honest, I like it to a certain extent. I don't really want a touch screen in my car because I have no steering wheel controls. No steering wheel controls means I'd have to look at the radio to operate it. That's something I don't want to do. Currently my hand knows exactly where all the controls are on the radio. So I never EVER look at it except to see what time it is. Considering my hand is usually on the shifter anyway, it's not like operating the radio is a pain. I just extend my hand out. LOL
This is why the C7's infotainment system worries me. If it's all going to be bundled up and it's not a great system like CUE is supposed to be, I'm in for a lot of parts to replace or just biting the bullet.
05-07-2012, 10:41 AM
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Well, I can only equate this to the Magnetic Selective Ride Control that started in Caddy-land and moved very successfully to the Vette and now to the Camaro.
While I can see Cadillac and Corvette as separate entities from a marketing standpoint (i.e. not labeled as Chevy or GM), I see them feeding off of one another for a very long time. It is far too expensive for them to develop these technologies all alone and not get the expense spread across multiple labels/generations. Bottom line...SOME version of the CUE will find it's way into the C7, the Camaro, and eventually down the line to other higher end GM vehicles.
While I can see Cadillac and Corvette as separate entities from a marketing standpoint (i.e. not labeled as Chevy or GM), I see them feeding off of one another for a very long time. It is far too expensive for them to develop these technologies all alone and not get the expense spread across multiple labels/generations. Bottom line...SOME version of the CUE will find it's way into the C7, the Camaro, and eventually down the line to other higher end GM vehicles.
Jimmy
05-07-2012, 11:31 AM
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http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...09/150285.html
05-08-2012, 04:54 PM
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Jimmy, MR made its debut in the 2002 Cadillac Seville STS and the Corvette got it on 2003 models.
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...09/150285.html
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2...09/150285.html
Thank goodness for the ZR1, which legitimized F55 to the great unwashed. I do miss the good old days when we had a weekly dust-up on Z51 verses F55, however. The GS ruined all the fun!
Jimmy
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05-08-2012, 05:21 PM
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